Whether people become addicted to things says nothing about those things. It does reveal a lot about the user though. If the substances were the problem then everyone that uses them would become an addict. That doesn't happen so you have to look at the other half of the equation.
Mxe is the shit! it has exploded in my town unlike any RC before, even kids who have no idea of waht the Rc scene is are doing it.
Is it like guaranteed to give you cancer ten years later or do you actually have to use it for ten years straight...and also i'm not really keen on sending my money overseas somewhere if I don't know where it's going.
When I said it could give you cancer in ten years time I meant simply that it's a fairly new research chemical with a minor history of use amongst human beings and as such there is little evidence of what possible side effects it could have years from now. It's quite a stretch to say it could give you cancer but the thing is the risks are fairly large for all of these novel compounds. You can make an educated guess based upon the chemicals properties and anecdotal accounts but that's it. For legitimate companies to have interest in researching the potential negative as well as beneficial outcomes of a particular substance it has to be profitable not to mention legal and thus the lack of hard facts. From little I have gleamed it seems fairly safe being that it's an analogue of ketamine which has been used medically for years.
If you had tried MXE just once you'd probably understand why cleaning your room on it could potentially be a total blast. Equip your headphones and vacuum dat shit. :2thumbsup: Couple times a week? When I binged I did some every single day for maybe two weeks, but those were low doses, about the same as what Mr. Writer doses if I'm not mistaken. I prefer a nice long binge followed by maybe a month break each time. I think it's safe to say that you can't possibly have a bad experience on MXE by itself, EVER, unless being in a ridiculous setting or doing a huuge dose. This is true for me, at least. EDIT: Sorry for double-posting. It seems very safe indeed. I like the fact that they added the N-ethyl group to decrease the risk of interstitial cystitis in the bladder that you sometimes find with heavy use of Ketamine, while at the same time increasing the potency of the chemical. Drug design ftw! So true. Weed truly takes MXE to the next level. In my experience it can easily be overwhelming, but at the same time extremely awesome. I smoke quite a lot of weed, and when I'm MXE binging my weed lasts ten times longer because the effects are enhanced an infinite amount of times. 40mg MXE + a bowl and you're completely fucked up for the rest of the day. It's brilliant!
Well I don't have the long term tolerance of a ketamine addict so to both me and Volupta (and half a dozen of my friends who I dose at 35-50mg) it's a pretty wild ride for 3-5 hours, very qualitatively different even than twice that dose with ketamine. I probably shouldn't take this post of yours seriously but I'll reply to it anyways since I can't tell when you're trolling and when you're serious sometimes. I didn't say you were addicted to ketamine because you weren't dosing high enough, you said you were addicted to ketamine, and I pointed out that your frequent low dose re-dosing is what's causing/continuing the problem. Doing bumps of K over and over is going to get you hooked. Doing a K hole once or twice a month and putting as much thought into it as an LSD trip is the kind of attitude which does not encourage abuse of the substance, that's my point. Again, I'm not saying you're addicted because you need ridiculous doses of MXE to like it, I'm saying that you need ridiculous doses of MXE to like it because you're addicted to dissociatives You and I don't use MXE the same way, I think of it closer to a mushroom trip than opiates. I have tried using it for the buzz but don't really like it for that, it's ok but I'm not much of a "buzz" guy. I rarely drink, seldom do opiates/cocaine or other "buzz" type chems . . . I'm more about the quiet, introspective, philosophical experiences, which come from not using it so often, and not using it in buzz doses. You think that my doses are buzz doses, but that's only because your history with K has changed your ability to feel the effects of these ones. I'm sure what you feel with 150mg is what I feel with 50mg. Yes, so? Does it matter that it passes first pass metabolism if the molecule in question is inherently non-toxic to begin with? I imagine it's much safer than popping a tylenol for a headache for example. Sometimes your threshhold of safety seems abnormally high for someone who dabbles in research chemicals lol. I guarrantee that snorting MXE is nowhere near as damaging as having a drink to your body. I can understand your reasons for not doing it, if you have medical history with your nose then it is what it is. Can you explain why me taking it to clean my room is an example of compulsive use? I don't think that's an obvious fact to take from that at all. You might at most think that I didn't put much thought into set/setting, but actually it might surprise you to learn that I thought long and hard about taking that 15mg to clean my room. I'll explain because I feel you are having your opinions of things colored a lot by GB's language. In fact this thread is rapidly degrading into exactly the argument all three of us had in psychedelic bump a few bumps back, when GB attacked me ad hominem and you stepped in to "mediate" by . . . lightly attacking me I think it's strange that your example of compulsive MXE use is from me, out of this whole forum. There are people here who do more drugs in a weekend than you or i have ever done, so I had the day to myself. My room needed cleaning, a project I had been working on for dozens of hours throughout the summer. I thought to myself, I could probably do this task while being high on something, and I was in the mood to be in an altered state. I didn't want to use anything serotonergic, because I'd have to dose very low anyways, only enough for a buzz, and that's a waste of material imo, I'd rather save it for more special times. After thinking about all my options I realized only MXE would do, out of my whole stash. But I would really have to dose low, given it's effects. So, 15mg went in my nose, and I looked forward to seeing how it would be as a "buzz" chemical, since I've never used it like that. I have used MXE more than once a week indeed. Same for ketamine. Once a week is my own personal limit for serotonergics, because I, from experience, have noticed that dosing them more often than that QUICKLY causes negative mental effects. However MXE, which is primarily GABA-affecting, and has basically NONE of the properties of serotonergics (you wouldn't know this so maybe that's why you're conflating the two), can be safely dosed much more often without any negative mental aspect. MXE is closer to alcohol than psychedelics in these regards. I might have a one week limit on psyches but alcohol I wouldn't feel bad doing twice or three times in a week, especially if those multiple use weeks are few and far between, which they are. So yeah, I don't know why you are so readily siding with GB's version of the "mxe story", a version only supported by one other person (p0ly, current ketamine addict) over the "mxe story" supported by the other dozen people on this board who use it in the doses and ways I have been describing. I feel that GB's descriptions of his use has forever tainted your views of dissociatives, even though he is a minority in this regard. I hope one day you try it and see what you think for yourself. Yeah man exactly. The cannabis is magnified monstrously and the MXE just becomes overlayed on top of this terrific pot mind fuck, MXE already being the king of mindfuck . . . . I truly don't exaggerate, we were unable to move for ~6 hours. We didn't have a choice. Thank god it was night time and there weren't people because we were outside . . . we had no IDEA it would become THAT lol. A friend of a friend did this exact thing though (don't know how much MXE however), did a line and smoked a bowl, and spent the night puking their guts up, which is exactly what happens to me when I do too much ketamine and smoke pot. Sometimes the two is just nauseafest, other times you get lucky and it's not a major issue and you can enjoy the ridiculous combination.
You're right we don't view mxe the same but for a moment I'll take your view, let us assume we have a whole bunch of psilocybin cubensis mushrooms, 5 grams of mushrooms surely is going to a produce a deeper, more introspective, more philisophical experience than 1.75 grams will. Same with mxe comparing 175 mgs to 50mgs or less. I had not taken any disassociatives in over a year, you take bitch buzz doses. This is what I find appealing in it too! .
I guess in all fairness I should try 150mg. Maybe I've been doing this all wrong I can (not) imagine how intense that is next time I have a day (or two) off
That is prolly about the dose I took when I m-holed out. I didn't weigh it up but looked about that much. It was flippin awesome. I had to be carried to the bathroom to pee but once I settled into the bed I just lost all concept of time and who I was. I didn't know which way was up or down. Completely blissful.
So can you have like full out of body experiences with this stuff like you can on k, or to the point where you pretty much are tripping (being unconscious I suppose)? Or could someone give a bit more of a comparison between the two? Seems pretty intriguing.
IMO it's like ketamine's big brother. Much more headfuck, and yes you can have complete out of body on it. It's twice as potent, costs about as much, lasts twice as long, almost doesn't burn at all, and is legal. :drool5:
i've used this same reasoning with 2ce doses - not compared to yours, but maybe cosmo or TNS 1st pass metabolism matters b/c of impurities or contaminants. i've always found snorting to be gross, so it's a personal bias and my nose problems... i'm sorry to have insinuated that u dosing mxe while cleaning ur room is compulsive. i've dosed 2ce or LSD compulsively many times. but if i compare my use to yours....u dose more frequently than me. once a week is your personal limit for tripping? i suppose given the right circumstances i'd do that, but more like once a month i don't take tylenol...ever i would feel bad if i used alcohol multiple times in a week. if i got drunk at least. i smoke weed everyday, so i'm a bit of a hypocrite. i wasn't siding with GB though - or saying anything about mxe doses, cuz yeah...i dunno shit about that i tried ketamine in a poor manner twice, but i saw zero appeal. i know u can work on 75 mg K, writer, but this was my 1st time ever. maybe u have more tolerance than me (i'm sort of "trolling" i suppose...just messin with ya)
Ketamine has a bunch of different forumlas so that's something to keep in mind. A parallel comparison I will make between mxe and ketamine is to that of 2cp and 2ce. Mxe= 2cp Ketamine= 2ce Mxe is certainly more potent dosage wise than ketamine but once you get into those higher dose journeys with these compounds, quality ketamine is without question more hallucinogenic, rapid paced, and all encompassing. Mxe takes on a more cognitive 'theatric' experience. It sort of graces you with scenes that hold themselves more steady than K. I've not had one experience yet with mxe where I've opened my eyes and did not recognize my surroundings unlike some of the deeper k holes i've had. I would consider methoxetamine an M-ditch or bunker sounds cooler so we'll go with M-bunker opposed to an M-hole and I've matched them dose for dose IM which made me puke all over the place on methoxetamine, while aware of doing so. Now I know you or I don't enjoy 2cp, and I do enjoy Mxe so I will say Mxe is euphoric and more visceral than Ketamine, it certainly has a longer duration as well so I think that makes up for the most part what I feel it lacks in terms of the experience. If they were the same price and same availability I'd take Ketamine any day over MXE but Mxe really is quality for how accessible it is.
