Fly Agaric

yeah really?/ Cause there was no such thing as carbonated soda when indigenous man was eating them in Siberia..
Ibotenic Acid is more inebriating... May feel head spun, but not life threatening.
Muscimol is more pain relieving..

Either way, there is no way to tell how active they truly are..

 

Orison I never said Siberians had carbonated soda nor implied it. I was saying if you drink carbonated liquid it would recarbonate muscimal into ibotenic acid and that is supposibly not as pleasant as the muscimal.

Here is one source that talks about it: http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas_info_ott.shtml
and the Book: Amanita Muscaria; Herb of Immortality by Donald E. Teeter
you can find it online at: ambrosiasociety.org

 

I dont think to many people here are interested in urine recycling.. Although it dont bother me, Ive done it more than once... get boring writing about it because to many people dont understand the dynamics of it.. Also it take more prep, than just eating shrooms and peeing in a cup. Least I beleive it does.

 

Ah, that would almost make sense, earlier in this thread I spoke of decarboxylation of muscovone, by which I think I meant muscarine... into ibotenic acid. Muscarine makes you sweat, weep and salivate and may reduce pain, nothing more, as far as know. It is the Ibotenic acid that produces the "trip" that fly agaric eaters seek. This muscimol you mention is new to me... I shall read up and learn some more. Thanks for questioning what I thought I knew.

 

Urm.. ? ? ? ?????

Wrong thread?

 

You wouldn't have to recycle urine if you are trying to get the effects of muscimol, you would just have to dose higher. Also the muscimol if recycled though the pee will be about 5 times the normal amount from an amount for a dose of ibotonic acid. So I bet there would be psychoactive effects at that dose. I tried some aminitas and did everything to prevent getting ibotonic acid in the mushrooms, I did notice more of a vivid imagery and maybe some mild hallucinations. No problem on the info it changes your perception on how people use these mushrooms.

 

Here our diets are to different than Tribal people..
The only effect, I get with urine is lessen stomach upset but this would only be with LSA morning glory seeds..

There was never really any change in the high with Amanitas when using urine. Only longer durations of reduced pain thresholds.
Some people dont just use these shrooms to trip on. There are people like myself that use them potentially for increased strength and stamina..

Like Viking. WE SMASH NOW!!

 

i think the shamans in Siberia didnt eat it raw. they fed it to deer and they drunk the deer piss. according to wikipedia ibotenic acid is neurotoxic. Muscimol isnt. and its ten times as potent. drying and boiling helps convert Ibotenic acid into Muscimol. or a deers liver can do that for you if you eat it raw i think drinking your piss is a great idea becouse only the good stuff is left in it and it should be a lot stronger without most of the negative effects. the way i want to do it is order some grade A amanita caps, boil some water, put the sliced up mushroom in it and let is cool down for 40 minutes filter it, drink it and just chill in my garden.

 

So the Amanita mushroom is nowhere near as psychadellic as psilocybin then?

 

Definitely not, you won't get the awesome colours and blatant hallucinations, the visual response to sound, any of that. Once you get over the nausea (if there is any) then it's like being drunk.

 

I couldn't help but research these mushrooms again today, trying to find reports of actual trips.... Some quite interesting finds!

This report has inspired me to take 25g of fly agaric in the near future: http://www.shroomery.org/4707/My-Fly-Agaric-Trip


This guy sounds like a bit of an idiot but he tripped: http://www.shroomery.org/10146/Fly-Agaric-Meeting-With-God-Devil

This twat smoked some then boiled them to make a tea AND was doing weed and alcohol at the same time:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4792299

Advice to avoid them on this page (personally I look forward to a bit of brain damage):
http://www.magic-mushrooms.net/dangers.html

This guy has inspired me to maybe not take 25g, possibly only 12.5g:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5849158

Quite an encouraging report on muscaria and pantherina:
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=366

This sounds awesome, I don't know why he ends so negatively:
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=58884

And an all important guide for preparing the the mushroom to get the best out of your experience with some interesting tid-bits of information to go along with it:
http://www.shroomery.org/8671/Preparation-of-Amanita-muscaria

That last article is brilliant, IMO

 

I didnt see any fly agaric's this year while out picking which is unusual, normally i find them everywhere, next time i come across some ill have to powder a few grams up and try them out. I have been interested for years about trying them but friends always try to convince me i should not eat them.

They sound like they would combo up nicely with some ketamine and nitrous ~

 

Don't touch the Amanitas!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZZP3Cqi7Lk

 

Just made a brew as per the last link in my last post. Most digusting drink ever, don't think I've ever come so close to puking without puking. I'm really fighting to keep it down. I mixed the rest with orange juice and it's taken away the foulness, thankfully. Hopefully I'll have a trip report to write in the morning.

 

Another very efficient way to improve the taste is to add lemon juice and honey to the brew. It will taste way better, plus those help with the nausea a lot (especially lemon, it makes pretty much anything edible, even stuff your body would usually reject).

 

I added honey before the orange juice.

Sadly, nothing happened. No effects at all registered, no drowsiness or anything set in. A slight tendency for my eyes to unfocus seemed to happen but that was it.

I am very disappointed. I believe it was Terence McKenna who once said "If in doubt, double the dose!"

So, should I double it to 25g? We're talking extremely high dose at that level.

 

To be honest, I never had a dose under 20g. Even then it was good but not over the top, which made me believe that having less than that is a waste of time and mushrooms. Sure it depends of your body size, I'm 5 foot 10 and weight about 180 lbs so I need bigger doses than some to reach the same state of mind, but you should have more. Try with 20g and see how it's like. I'd tend to increase the dose bit by bit cause those shrooms are tricky, you might have a surprise.

 

I'm not sure if I want to bother, could get expensive that way for not much happening. I wish I could get a damn surprise off them!!

 

Have a high dose and sleep on it, you'll get your surprise. :reddevil:

I beware of their trickyness though! Last time, they said they'll have a surprise for me on the next occasion I'll eat them. It's been almost 10 months now and still didn't dare to, I'm kinda scared. I hope it'll be all good.

 

You mean you said you'd have a surprise for yourself next time you were on them, surely?