Australia becomes 10th nation to introduce tax on greenhouse gas emissions

7/10/2011: Australia has announced details of its new carbon pricing scheme which will be introduced on July 1 next year.

Under the scheme, the government will tax each tonne of carbon pollution released when fossil fuels are burned. The carbon price is a tax rate set by the government.

Australia will become the tenth country so far to place a tax on carbon polluters since Finland introduced the world's first in 1990.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/07/10/3265732.htm?section=justin

Which other countries have a carbon tax?

 

It's about time! Should have been 20 years ago when the nordic countries were doing it. When are Britain and the US going to follow suit?

 

Its a good first step.

 

The most interesting parts of the Australian plan to me aren't the taxes ... it's the investment and new research initiatives into cleaner energy sources.

This is what the US should be doing, and actually we were doing about 40 years ago, until Republican administrations killed it.

 

If the goal is to reduce carbon emissions, it will have the opposite effect.

Add a new tax and the heavy industries involved with just make the coal producing sections a subsidary and negative gear to offset the new tax

Most of the tax revenue the governement recieves gets funnelled back to pensioners and low income, allowing them to but more carbon produced goods

Because of this prices go up, savings goes down , people are spending a a slightly greater % of their income on base goods that have a higher carbon footprint than luxury items. $3 into a savings account = no emissions, $3 on a bottle of milk = 1kg of CO2 for the plastic bottle it comes in.

Just as likely there is a negative change in carbon emissions

A better strategy would be a carbon rating, let people know what stuff gets produced with a high carbon footprint. Why the hell are people still using electricity and not gas to heat their homes

Then CO2 produced per person in the west is still far higher than the world average, even if you cut it by 20%, the average Australian still far more responsible than the average Afghani simply because we brought that flat screen TV or take the yearly flight to Hong Kong

Totally ridiculous, you really want to cut world C02 emissions, cut the number of humans and make sure no volcanos blow their tops

Doesnt have anything to do with Carbon Emissions

 

Vanilla, people don't buy more expensive stuff just because they get more money. You assume that price has no incentive effect at all. You don't see pensioners buying up more bananas when they are $12 a kilo, that wouldn't be smart. Anyway that's a minor effect compared with way that the plastic bottle is produced - it isn't going to be profitable any more to produce it the way it was done before, so emissions go down.

 

I think that education on the dangers of polluting the environment should be stressed in grade school. Kids have to study science and math more intently, and when they get older they can help develop new technologies for a cleaner planet. Focus should be on the young. I don't think kids should be indoctrinated, but rather taught what is fact and given the tools to make a change in the future. All subjects are important.

 

This is a sad day, another country succumbs to the brainwashing... *sigh* Fucking the people over to make billions, all based on bullshit and lies.

 

On the contrary, tis a happy day for those who recognise the truth. May be a sad day for religious nuts who dislike science.

 

Hah, First I'm not religious, proud atheist here, also a firm believer in science. Perhaps its a happy day for those who know nothing about politics, and common sense... Global warming is nothing but a scam to make rich people richer. The people pushing this global warming thing are looking to make billions upon billions of dollars on this scam from peoples pure ignorance. Al gore a prime example. Push the global warming agenda... make millions on a shitty unscientific movie, and then has a company that could make billions of dollars pending on if people wake up to this global warming crap. Of course he is just a small fry in this game of politics, there are many more above him who will gain much more than him...

Also since you believers love to say that all the worlds top scientists believe in global warming which is simply untrue. All the scientists that go against global warming and say the truth lose all their research grants, and then if they still don't give up are bombarded with death threats to the point where many have to go into hiding. Why is this happening? because the powers that are going to make the billions obviously don't want people to learn the truth.

Ever hear of climategate? Top scientist emails and servers were hacked, these emails explained how they skewed the information, changed important information, destroyed studies that show that global warming isn't manmade, and how to shut up scientist that say otherwise. But you have already been brainwashed by these corporate assholes, so go ahead and throw your money at them and believe the lies, because I refuse to.

 

Yeah sorry to burst your bubble but climategate was the scam, by the media. Nothing came out of it even after 4 independent reports. Whatever you've read was likely quoted out of context, like it was by the media. And those scientists were also bombarded with death threats, as well as many others doing this research. Why is this, I wonder? Who is really after the money here, scientists in a university on a fixed wage or the polluters who know that they will lose their billions when we refuse to allow their polluting?

Al Gore isn't a scientist, and people will try to make money off anything. Just because people try to make money off something doesn't demonstrate its falsity. You clearly know nothing about science if you think they could orchestrate something like this. You simply cannot obtain grants by doing false research, in fact you lose it when it is badly peer reviewed. If you want to know who's doing the brainwashing, look to who has the most to lose - polluting industry and the media who benefits enormously from creating hysteria out of a simple issue. Start reading more journals and less mass media.

 

Polluting corporations will just buy carbon credits so they can pollute as much as they want, The polluters are't going to lose anything in this situation, but there are many who will gain billions from this global warming hysteria. As for climategate being a scam, not too sure about that, the evidence doesn't seem too compelling.

Look if you don't believe anything that I have said, use some common sense and look at the facts. The world works in cycles, it heats up, then cools down, repeating this cycle over and over again. You cannot possibly take data over the past 100 years (basically a blink of the eye to the Earth) and say its heating up, its obviously our fault, its just complete idiocy. The Earth used to be so hot that it was impossible for ANY life to grow on it, but there were no humans... Also humans have only produced an estimated something like (cannot remember exactly) 3% of carbon in the Earths atmosphere, so you are saying that this 3% has so drastically changed things that it is our fault? Yes the Earth has been heating up, obviously, its supposed to! When the Earth does not heat up and cool down, for an extended period of time, thats when I would be worried. And many scientist have even been saying that the Earth will start going into a trend of cooling, not because we somehow fucked things up, but because that is the natural progression of the Earth. It's honestly not that hard of a concept to grasp.

"Start reading more journals and less mass media." Thanks for the tip, but I have never watched any huge news corps. Also haven't watched any t.v. in over a year, tyvm.

 

The earth going in cycles isn't really relevant to what is being said, which is that we are changing the way the natural world has been operating. You're wrong about the scientific consensus - there is been no national or international scientific body which contests the consensus on climate change. Obviously they haven't listened hard enough to your 'common sense' and a few renegade scientists likely under the pay of petroleum companies. No point discussing it here unless we have advanced degrees in climatology.

 

climate gate quotes
http://www.scribd.com/doc/23966774/Climate-Gate-The-Email-Quotes

 

Great idea, because taxation is the best way to control people.

 

What is the best way to control people McLeod?

The propaganda thread is here: http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=385218&f=398

 

Point a gun at their heads.

Otherwise, there is no good way to control people.

 

Even with their consent? Because they did vote in the people 'controlling' them.
Either that or you're an anarchist.

 

the carbon tax scam
http://www.freestatevoice.com.au/politics/item/694-govt-scientist-exposes-carbon-tax-as-a-scam

 

It IS relevant because that is exactly what we are talking about, but I suppose you are right about having no point in discussing about it. Everyone has their own opinions, I'm obviously not going to change yours, and your not going to change mine. So lets agree to disagree.

Just because they voted them in doesn't mean they gave their consent for it. Many don't care, are misinformed, didn't vote for them or only voted for them for lack of a better choice, that does not mean they agree with everything they do. Like in my country, Canada we only have 4 viable parties, only 3 of them have a chance in hell of getting in, and they all suck horribly and all 4 have a few good policies, and a rediculous amount of bad policies.