If you had to pay?

If the government services provided you and your family directly required you to pay for them, how much would you consider to be a fair price charged per family member to be paid to government per week? And what services does government provide that you feel necessary for you and your family that you would be willing to pay for?

 

is this similar to ??Court costs?? I can only 25dollar a week my honor..

 

So Federal government only provides you with services worth $25 per week?

 

But Indie you don’t believe that people should be provided with ‘government services’ to the extreme point of thinking people who cannot provide services for themselves should die of want.

So what is the point and direction of your question?

 

You most obviously have absolutely no idea at all of what I believe.

The question was posed in reference to what people feel they should be paying the Federal government to provide services which they feel are valuable to them, and no reference at all to what is, should or might be provided to others.

 

Indie

You said
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I asked

-In other words if someone falls into hardship through no fault of their own or due to circumstances beyond their control they should be allowed to die of want.

You -

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=413208&f=346&page=34

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In other words you don’t believe that people should be provided with ‘government services’ (other than ‘scraping up’ their remains) to the extreme point of thinking people who cannot provide services for themselves should die of want?

 

given 'no taxes, all services paid by free donations', i would give $1,000 for some national defense organization. the purpose would be, specifically, to kill immediately any person without proper documentation showing they were born within the limits of the u.s. who tries to come in. i would not pay a penny for any organization who invades other countries, or who 'sits and occupies bases' anywhere else.

i would also be happy to pay for an organization to maintain icbm's adequate to destroy any other country or group who develop icbm's of their own, and then threaten where i live with them. i would, however, only be willing to continue to pay if they actually backed up the threat when necessary.

i would be happy to pay $250 per year for spy related activities, to include assassination of certain individuals in foreign countries...i can think of a few names currently..which i bet could easily be guessed.

i would not pay a penny for any sort of 'local police protection'. nor would i be willing to pay a penny to assist anyone who refuses to be responsible for their own protection.

i would be glad to pay some sort of 'cost per mile' for road maintenance, but i would also be willing to pay perhaps $500 per year for button men/women who can do financial audits and then terminate anyone found taking kickbacks on road maintenance.

i would gleefully take some amount and give to individuals who i think deserve some help with rent or food, but not for anyone able to work who refuses.

i am also not willing to pay a penny for any sort of foreign aid. if we have to buy 'em, they aint worth what we paid.

otherwise, let the market do its thing.

 

I'm not sure what part of the options involved in cost of government would represent dictatorship in the way you commented. A fair price for democracy is another matter and you know that well. We are for the present illusion of being served (some Libertarians worry about that for the situation of free enterprise) considering specific services to pay for (like garbage disposal, information on threats, criminal and other, and most of all the support about fields of job possibilities). Wouldn't it be more democratic for the government to choose the prices and the people choose the particular services of interest?

 

Why do you have such difficulty staying on topic? None of what you are saying relates to the question I have asked, as usual.

Are you in fact a moderator? And if so shouldn't it be a part of your duty to eliminate trolling?

The services provided by the UK government, and their costs are of no importance to me at all. Raise taxes in the UK if you like, borrow as much as you like, regulate all you like, it's your country.

 

Dictatorship? I only asked what services you avail yourself of as an individual, including your immediate family members, provided by the Federal government, and what you would consider to be a fair cost per week for those services.

 

wait a second...

so what are my federal and state taxes going to now? Is the government not for the people to begin with?

**I know all of our views on the govt, I'm asking this because of what they are supposed to do

 

Indie

I’m wondering – given your views on ‘government services’ - why you are asking this question?

As to me living in the UK are you still living in South East Asia or have you moved back to the US?

 

I pay taxes every single day and receive whatever government benefits that are provided to a white, married, 57 year old working male ... so nothing more than the usual - streets & san, military might, garbage pickup, etc.

 

The working class knows. The problem is that the middle class business oriented only think they know.

Money is only symbolic to the working class.

 

as a person fairly close to the bottom of the financial barrel, i expect to receive rather than give

in other words, thanks for all the fish

 

Dictatorship of the proletariat. We follow the knowledge of the abstract primarily. It is the way of the right to develop the construct of serving from production (even the government serves from ordinary business production) by discussing what we CAN afford by necessity.

 

The thing is that of course it is going to be different for differing families or individuals. For example someone with advantage wouldn’t need much if any direct government assistance, while someone who is deeply disadvantaged might need a lot more.

So it is likely that someone with advantage might not feel like paying much into government.

That is the reason why progressive taxation is a good thing.

Let us imagine a plague, a disease that could affect anyone but will actually end up only affecting half of the population* But nobody knows which half.

In such a situation I think most sensible people would want the community’s government to try and do something about it and be willing to pay the taxes to tackle the situation.

Now lets say that half a population are born into disadvantage and half not. But since no one can choose beforehand to which half they are to be born, it basically means disadvantage could affect anyone.

The difference with that situation is that there is the problem of hindsight, when those born into advantage are taxed to help the disadvantaged, they don’t go ‘oh I could have been born disadvantaged myself’ they might go ‘why should I help them’. It is like knowing who would be affected by the disease and who not.

(*And I’m not saying disadvantage is a disease, I’m just using the plague idea as an example)

 

Progress? Progress has the problem of covering for capital cost allowance. And the reasoning is that profit margins have to be met by the communities, again I say needs, realized by the necessity of degradation of all kinds being represented correctly and incorrectly. Just my view that abstract views of progress failing us are also well represented by, again, the working class.

 

Around my house we pay thousands a year in taxes and we get wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, plus we get non existent police services and bumpy roads. If I had to chose between government services and a private business offering the same service it would be a no brainer.

 

The question only asks what you consider valued services provided by the Federal government and what you consider a price worth paying for them.

Just what is government supposed to do? That's an excellent question, but what would you be willing to pay for what you feel it should do?