What exactly are you seeing when you trip?

I have to disagree with this, I feel that quite the opposite is true.

This theory jives with my experience and reading. Dramatic changes in what we perceive in our environment while tripping on LSD is thought to be from the dissolving or removal of the "filter" between our cognitive or conscious mind and our unconscious or memory. By removing our reference point to "normal" (our experiences, memories and conditioning) the data stream pouring in from our senses is interpreted in drastically different ways.

If you find this idea interesting, check out
http://www.psychedelic-library.org/univcont.htm

And these are some good musings as well...

 

Also;

You're deadly serious about a little bit of lighthearted mockery of common misconceptions held by those who will never take psychedelics, but I've never seen you make a post with more than a few lines.

Where are you and your neg reps for the rather detailed trip reports I've written for this forum, the detailed descriptions, advice, speculation on the nature of the universe, and whatever else, that I've contributed?

Not every post I make is deadly serious. You, by contrast, are so enveloped by LSD that your username is "lovesliquid", and you're incapable of making a post about anything other than how amazing LSD is or how I don't understand your beautiful LSD. You don't seem to have a healthy relationship with it, you seem to have fried yourself. And even though you're a wee bit fucked up, presumably by your use of drugs, you're an acid elitist. Take a look at yourself, or at least the "yourself" you project to the internet, as you so enjoy judging what I project to the internet.

 

I usually see symbols and things change color and things begin to light up and flash colors

edit: Oh and one time everything turned green and black and everything was covered in numbers like from the Matrix

 

This light hearted mockery from you COULD be taken seriously by somebody. Dont you understand what potential harm you might cause.

How do you know they will never take psychedelics can you see into the future...........

As for the length of my posts 80% of yours are complete drivel and nonsense so does that make you feel better...........:2thumbsup:

 

No, again, I will NOT be causing harm by what I said. Go back and read it: if anyone believes that's serious, they are so amazingly addled (as you, apparently, may be) that I don't think having that expectation could hurt them. It would simply be a pleasant surprise when drugs are much more mild than they thought, but much more meaningful at the same time.

If you'd like to start berating anyone for their portrayal of drugs, start with the guys who wrote and are distributing this "factsheet". If anyone studies my posts at any length, they will know considerably more about LSD than you ever will, and nobody is going to go take it just because they read a post of mine about pink elephants or whatever I wrote.

And I suppose if you're incapable of properly writing or reading english (as can be inferred from your bold text), then most of what I post is gibberish.

 

Now, Now kids, play nice :toetap05:

 

I feel the need to mention that unfiltered data streams is nothing close to what you see.

It's incorrectly filtered data streams. ie. part of your brain is decoding faster or slower than another part is encoding.

Or at least, that's how I've come to understand it. And there's obviously nothing unfiltered about dramatic candy-coloured fractals in thin air.

 

I'm glad you said "how i've come to understand it" I'm no neuroscientist, but the reason I posted that link is for someone to read for themselves a theory put forth by someone much more educated than you or I.
And he's not the only one that suggests that what is seen and experienced on a trip is not necessarily hallucination or fictional.
But if you know of a convincing way to show that our "normal" perception is a view of what is real, and psychedelic experience is merely hallucination, I'm all ears.


And...

Hear hear... come on, a little respect for our differences.

 

I see dead people.

 

lol

 

That must be some pretty good stuff man. :sunny:

But, that doesn't mean they're not there.

 

nvm

 

Dunno if I have already posted in here or not.
What I see is both simple and complex depending on how long you look.
Every shadow or dark side of everything becomes a window into what is 'behind'. Its almost like another dimension that is behind everything I see. This is especially prominent when I look at a speckled ceiling where there are lots of little shadows or windows. What I see in this behind world is very interesting and cool. There is a kind of pulse in the centre of my vision that creates a ripple outwards and the ripple is in a rainbow coloured liquid. There are specks of black that sometimes form words and such. That is the 'simple' part. Almost impossible to coherently explain.
The more complex part of this is way more interesting. This rainbow liquid and the pulse that is created is actually formed by the speed at which very small rainbow fractal swirlies spin. They all spin at different speeds and the wave of the ripple happens much like a wave at a stadium of people. When the swirlies have a certain colour at the top, this is when the wave hits them, and they all do this in unison with the rest of the circle that radiates from the centre.

This is also impossible to explain.
Possibly some day ill be able to animate what I'm speaking of because it is a truly beautiful thing. It makes you think that possibly everything IS made up of these swirlies or something and our eyes just don't usually see them. Obviously this is just an acid induced thought and I don't actually believe that.

 

When it comes to perception on psychedelics, I don't know that it's accurate to chalk everything up to hallucination.
I posted this book before, but here's a link to a specific section. Scroll down to "a cognitive illusion".
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/univch4.htm
The whole section is good but the point is, our mind creates our perception and it's difficult to declare any one observation of our environment as "truth" even when completely sober.

 

Here is a fun little exercise to exemplify how faulty our normal eye perception can be.

http://www.blindspottest.com/

 

From Erowid:

Nobody knows exactly how LSD works. It binds to serotonin receptors in the brain, but it is unknown how this translates into a psychedelic trip. LSD has very little effects on the rest of the body. Much more detail can be found in our LSD Vault or in books such as the excellent "Trips" by Cheryl Pellerin and Chapter 7 of Drugs and the Brain by Solomon Snyder.

 

I don't know about anyone else but I see things that aren't there and sometimes I can't see things that are there too.

I use to trip with my brother when we were both in the Navy and stationed near one another. I would usually go to his barracks on the weekend and we'd trip together. Several times we would be in his room tripping and all of the sudden, we'd lose the door. I mean, we would bother look and all there was is wall, no door. We would have to fell our way around the wall until we found the door again. After we left the room, everything would return to normal.

Once I was tripping with him and some guys. We was listening to tunes (probably zeppelin or floyd). I remember closing my eyes and getting into the music. I opened my eyes and all of a sudden, I was a drummer in the band. We were playing on stage somewhere. The other members of the band were rockin and kept looking back at me smiling. lol

Another time were were tripping during the day. It had just rained (typical for florida). We went out walking and you could see colors in patterns all over the place. We walked down near the runway and watched P-3C, Navy aircraft, take off. I swear, each one was flapping their wings and they had big smiley faces on the front, sorta like those trains in the kids cartoon on tv.

While we were tripping, we always said we should keep up our nutrition. One time we went to the chow hall to eat mid-rats (midnight rations). They were serving country fried steak. I remember looking at the steak and it was like worms crawling all over my tray. lol My brother was seeing the same thing. We had to close our eyes to get the food down. lol

 

See? Someone gets it. That is an excellent example of how we ought not take our perception to be the gospel truth all the time.
In that exercise when the star or dot disappears, plainly it is still there we just don't see it. With that paradigm in mind, at what point can the average person say for certain that something is or is not?
Science has proven that the simple act of observation can physically change matter. At what point does the act of observing and experiencing something change it in relation to perception? Endlessly fascinating.

 

Outside I felt like I was in a Dr. Seuss book. Colours, especially greens, were really vivid and everything shimmered slightly. I remember I said that I felt like I could see the earth breathing and living. haha

Inside there was a textured ceiling, and I could see all the bumps moving and raising, and everything was just really vivid/pretty. Everything would also flash a certain colour (mainly green or pink) every so often.

I like your description though, seeing little bits of infinity everywhere!

 

I would associate a dr. seuss look and bright solid or neon colours (though perhaps blending) with DOx.

LSD would be more chromatic, shimmering and changing colours, and more rainbow-ie, than jolly rancher-y.

Guerilla, I knew about blind spots and the like of course, but that kinda stuff never ceases to amaze me. (I've heard tell of people with huge blind spots, that will, for a classic example, cover someone's face in a conversation-but the wallpaper pattern covers it so they're just headless. awesome)