Karma, cruel of fair?

Discussion in 'Hippies' started by raburcke, Jul 3, 2011.

  1. raburcke

    raburcke Guest

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    Yohdi paid me a visit, telling me about a most peculiar trip he had made. Apparently, he had been to the other plane, where souls roam, in the same space but on a different time and energy level. He had debated with himself whether to impart the knowledge he had gleaned there with us, because it might upset a significant part of humanity. But then he thought, they can always change if they so choose! How he got there, he forgot to mention, but the first thing he told me is that a soul is whole. It does not need to breathe, eat nor drink. It just is! Theoretically speaking, if one soul were to try and steal energy from another, it would not have anywhere to put it, because a soul is full to the brim, one hundred percent. If you were to try and add something, it would just slide off. BUT...the ONLY way a soul can get anything other than its own intrinsic energy, is through communion. In other words, the cosmic law of Karma applies, which says that you have to give(make room) to immediately and automatically receive an equal amount of energy(love) from another. This process can operate one on one, or in group. The more you give and receive, the higher the frequency and the more elevated the plane you travel to. And the older your soul, meaning the more times you have been reincarnated, the easier it becomes. This is good news for some. But it is definitely NOT good news for others, because some souls are inherently selfish, which insulates them from all the rest of this plane of the universe. Their refusal or inability to give, traps them inside themselves for an eternity of loneliness. And because the ONLY way of communicating is through communion, it renders them deaf, dumb and blind to the bliss that surrounds them. Only they themselves can CHOOSE to change their situation by deciding to give something of themselves. Only they can break the chains of this perpetual nightmare of their own making. Karma can be cruel! It is a bit of a reversal of the roles, is it not? But I do relish the ironic symmetry of it though!!:love:
     
  2. LovesLiquid

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    Nice thoughts
     
  3. CalicoSilver

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    Karma simply is.
     
  4. Reverand JC

    Reverand JC Willy Fuckin' Wonka

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    Karma in the most eastern terms translated into western terms:

    For every action there is a reaction. See also third law of thermodynamics.

    Karma in and of itself doesn't mold itself into polarized perceptions like good or bad. Just as chemical reactions aren't intrinsically good or bad.

    Stay Brown,
    Rev J
     
  5. Scorpio Kenny

    Scorpio Kenny Church of the Good Earth - ArchBishop

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    A soul full of Love. Okay.
    Love others and give all of your Love to others.
    Okay.
    Others will Love you back.
    Okay.

    We can give some or all of or Love to one other soul or to many other souls. Okay.

    One or many will Love us back.
    O Kay.

    Old souls tend to have an easier time in understanding this and doing this. Ok.

    Some souls don't get it.
    They become selfish and make their lives a living Hell. Or whatever you said. Like, make their death a living Hell. Or their acid trip a living Hell. Or whatever they do.

    Maybe we should all Love them way too much. Let's give them a hug. OKAY?
     
  6. organikness

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    Karma is neither good nor bad
     
  7. Pablo

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    It's like when you throw a rock straight up in the air and it falls down and hits you in the face, it's just what happens, weather you deserved it or not.
     
  8. OptimisticFutureBlues

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    There is no such thing as karma. Only physics. Its the emotional center of the brain playing tricks. Karma annoys me as a concept, because it implys that things are fair in some way. Which they are absolutely not.

    Sure. You throw a rock at the back of your friends head and later that night some snow falls off a branch and gets your head all wet and cold...its cute but has nothing to do with equivalent fairness. Your mind makes that connection. The world did NOTHING to intervene. Maybe if you hadn't have stopped for 4 seconds to get proper aim at your friend's head, you wouldn't have had snow fall on you as you would have been farther up the trail.

    But nope! The snow hits your head and everyone points and laughs. One or two people are bound to mention karma. Well I got a question, why doesn't karma hit the CEO's who have systematically pillaged our middle and lower class? And what would be considered an equal exchange? Keep in mind these people have ruined LIVES, what should karma give in return...and why hasn't it done that yet. What, does the fact that it was done with signatures and paper exempt them from your 'Karma'?

    Or are they just in for true punishment on 'the other side'? You be the judge.

    Sigh
     
  9. Reverand JC

    Reverand JC Willy Fuckin' Wonka

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    What you are talking about is the western definition of Karma. Which I agree alot of it is assigning blame based on conscience.

    Here is an example of Karma from a more eastern perspective.

    Say you own a store. You are rude to customers, your prices are too high, you never clean the place, and you have a group of crackheads that hang out out front intimidating people. But you think that you can get away with it because you are in a convenient location. As a result you end up with a dirty, run down store full of items that no one will buy, no one comes in because the amount of shit they are getting both inside and outside of the store and you go out of business. That is karma.

    If you read about Karma and Chains of Causation you notice that "Physics" echos them. Think for a minute about The Butterfly Effect from the Chaos Theory, "A butterfly flaps it's wings in China changing the storm patterns over New York for the next 6 months." Break that down like this. The Butterfly flaps it's wings stirring up the pollen in the air. Which then causes a near by Elk to sneeze. Which draws the attention of a predator. Which starts a Stampede. Which startles a flock of birds etc..... adding to jet streams and upper air patterns etc...That is Karma.

    We have been dumping Garbage in the ocean for decades. Now there is an island of garbage in the Pacific Ocean the size of Texas. That is Karma.

    Realizing how we live our life every day and that all of our decisions both conscious and unconscious have repercussions not only on our own life but the lives of others both seen and unseen in ways both seen and unseen. This is Karma.

    The point of Karma in Eastern Teachings is to illustrate awareness. It is a way to look at your life and take responsibility not a way to pass it off. Some modern Eastern Teacher tried to explain Karma in a Westerners could easily understand and now we have this perverted view of it.

    Stay Brown,
    Rev J
     
  10. OptimisticFutureBlues

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    Still, what I'm saying is that karma had nothing to do with his mentality towards keeping a place up in that neighborhood. Sure he did it to be greedy, and it was in a bad location...therefore the quality of product drops, and you get the 'clients' out front who heckle regular customers and drive them away. But just because the guy thought to himself 'Oh i'll get away with this because I'm in a good spot', doesn't mean that his business squandered because of a spiritual retaliation to his selfish decision. Its his MIND that made that connection once he ends up back at his house with no business and a rent check due in 3 days. Its just another way of human beings punishing themselves for reasons OTHER than the factual reasons it went south. His business took a shit because he kept it in a bad neighborhood with bad products and allowed crackheads to loiter, not because karma was present.

    All it really ends up at, is him realizing to himself "I deserved that", but it doesn't take 'karma' to realize that. Its true looking at the business decisions he made, and the direction he chose, that he deserves it because he made stupid decisions. If he feels like he deserved it in a higher sense than that, such as 'spiritual punishment' then he can go right ahead. He might even be right if judgment is truly good, and fair.

    I understand the eastern version of karma and I respect it much more than the west's view, as I do with many things from that side of the world to be honest. But c'mon. Taking perfectly good viewpoints and morals, then perverting them into a profit making 'tool' is what the higher ups here do. Things like that are relished by the higher powers for two reasons. 1) It keeps the people occupied with foolish superstition, and 2) It factually effects they the higher ups in.no.way.what.so.ever. It spawned originally to make people feel better in the sense that those who leave the rest to squander will be punished somehow, even though they are being visibly punished in no way at all. A guy who is caught with drugs is treated like an animal, thrown into a cage until they feel hes 'learned his lesson'. A President commits corporate fraud, orders his employees to pillage a hotel, and is caught on tape basically saying that he.does.not.care about a majority of his people and wishes healthcare to be as expensive as possible...is pardoned a few years down the line and all of the bills drafted during his criminal presidency are kept IN effect. If karma is waiting to step in, I sure wish it would. Oh wait too late, he died of NATURAL CAUSES while making dinner at a ripe old age.

    Believe me man, I'm not trying to argue in a mean or conflicting sense. Maybe I just mis-understand karma as a concept.
     
  11. KeithBC

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    Yes, I think you do. You seem to be reacting to the word "karma" as though it were some magic spell or Judeo-Christian curse. The whole point of what Rev was saying is that it isn't that. It isn't spiritual retaliation.

    What karma is, is that someone makes a decision and experiences the consequences. That's it. Nothing more.

    There is no magic, no spell, no curse, no gods, no retribution, no judgment, no imposition, no external agency. Just consequences. Every choice one makes has consequences, and they are inevitable. That's karma.
     
  12. OptimisticFutureBlues

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    Okay I now understand what it IS.

    But its still TREATED as though it were a magic spell/judeo-christian curse.
     
  13. roamy

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    i've always believed in karma,but i dont think theres anything madgical about it.what comes around goes around.thats just the way life is.
     
  14. KeithBC

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    Well, yeah, that's New Age for you. :rolleyes:
     

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