President Barack Obama to invest more than $500 million in advanced technologies.

IT AIN'T HIS MONEY.
It is tax payer funded monies he is investing.
I WOULD NOT buy a used truck from this POS Yes man.

 

oh goodie, MORE hi-tech shit for the illuminati to try control us with... and we payin for it too... sounds about right...

 

circle flies never lie about anything:

President Obama decided to do one of his public addresses against the backdrop of an American farm, but the ceremony couldn't get started because of all the flies buzzing around his head. Obama demanded to know why the flies wouldn't leave, so the farmer explained to him, "Well, those are called circle flies. They always circle around the back end of horses." Obama angrily replied, "Hey, are you saying that I'm a horse's ass?" The farmer answered, "No Sir, Mister President. I would never call someone a horse's ass. It's hard to fool them flies though."

credit:

http://sites.google.com/site/barackobamajokes/

don't mistake me...i'm sick of all politicians. i wish we chose office holders by lottery.

 

If the technology can be used to kill, I am sure Obama will throw money to it.

 

I've had the same idea for years.

We'd actually be better off rounding up wino's off of park benches and putting them in office than our current system.

I also think that all judges, Supreme Court included, should be picked from a jury pool just like the jurors.

 

i think its good that they are trying to make jobs for americans. i also think that we should pass a bill that taxes every major company and corporation $25,000 per person for employing people overseas when they could be helping pull their own country out of the drain.

 

I have no idea where you got the figure of $25,000 per person. But according to Thomas Bradley, author of the book Labor, Employment and Desperation.
In 2008 for every job lost in the United States due to overseas exportation, we lost 34 jobs due to technological innovation.

Jobs are created through artisanal endevors and implimenting mechanical solutions instead of technological ones.

 

This whole argument of moral/amoral/immoral regarding government is based on a fallacy which is, that any government is more or less than a tool for the mightiest.

I recommend a read of Bakunin's -God and Government- to help streamline all these fallacious notions.

But here's the gist:
--There is no God separate from those who act in the name of the high fallacious one.
--God is the ultimate 'strawman' for govermental reasoning for continuing using the people as if they are chattels.
--No government is good.
--No government is one with God.
--A goverment is always like fleas on a dog. There are no good fleas on a dog.

 

i heard today that there is a move afoot to give corporations a tax break if they are paying taxes overseas...so as to encourage them to bring their money back here (right now, if they bring it in, it's taxed 'again'). so, let me see....we have the highest or among the highest tax rates in the industrial world, and we now tax any money brought in from elsewhere? no wonder it what goes overseas stays overseas. the use of taxes to fund 'pie in the sky' is a fantasy of some...but you gotta understand how money and psychology work...for people who are working to make a profit. in order for someone (a logical, business minded 'someone') to take a risk with money, there has to be a reward that looks 'likely'. otherwise, you simply have a fool throwing money around. startups are extremely risky....to start with (haha). when i was doing small bidness counselling, it was an accepted fact that 1 out of 5 was going to make it after the first 3 years. i have no idea what the generality of 'success' for small businesses is now....but i bet it aint great.

we got to quit taking money out of the hands of people who are willing to take acceptable risks and work 90 hour weeks to have their own business...we must encourage people who are willing to work, and discourage those who could work, but won't. and we as a country are failing so bad, 'f' is not even a bad enough grade.

in the meantime, the bullshitters in the swamp on the east coast can't even budget...they haven't been able to for quite a few years. anyone know 'why' they moved the end of the fiscal year from july to september? hahahaha. again. and now they pass short term budget bills (continuing resolutions) to cover their ass while they go fuck around like a bunch of brain damaged loons...and those of us who pay taxes are paying for this miserable comedy.

anyway, yes. i agree. i'd rather have my trash guys and the lady running the register at mcdonald's take a crack at governance, tricknologist. at the least, we could spread the under the table money around some.

ps...'see greece, Dick. see greece come. see greece riots in america. see amerika's government make excuses. see amerika go to shit, Dick. run, Jane, run. catch Spot. eat Spot now, before a senator takes him to put in the stew pot for himself.' that will be in the first grade readers...oh, wait! it'll have to go in the high school readers. first graders can't read that well yet nowadays.

 

and i agree wholeheartedly we need to stop replacing mechanical jobs with technology. im just saying that instead allowing major corporations to outsource over 50,000 jobs per month since 2001 they should be being taxed out the ass-like a $25,000 fine -per job that has been outsourced to help pay for the 33.2% of people that cant find jobs, because they've all been outsourced. most of the corporations in america are getting huge tax breaks already. general electric made over $14.2 billion dollars last year and didnt pay one single penny to taxes. neither did boeing or exxon. transocean moved their headquarters from houston texas to zug switzerland, saving them about $2 billion and replacing 13,000 american jobs. it is estimated that between the major corporations in america there is anywhere between $15-$20 trillion is in various off-shore accounts. money that they wont bring home because they dont want to pay the 35% corporate tax rate. more than 2 million jobs annually are lost to technological innovation. i would rather see a half a million americans go back to work assembling the new technology to do the work and helping to pull the economy out of the "recession" it is in.

 

I think it is a generalized truth that as time progresses any job that can be replaced by technological innovation will be replaced. Or more specifically any job that can be replaced by robotics WILL be replaced by robotics.

Right now this looks ugly, and as it progresses it will look uglier and uglier. I always loved Terence Mckenna's metaphor about how the earth, and the human race right now is in a birth canal. He would say, imagine if you were some alien from some foreign place, and you just arrived on earth, and you turned a corner to witness a woman giving birth. There would be screaming, crying, obvious pain, blood everywhere, it would look like there is something truly and terribly wrong that needed immediate fixing. But really, that is just what a birth process looks like, when an organism is leaving one state of existence, and transcending to a greater state of existence, this transition is characterized by INTENSE suffering, discomfort and pain. And if you were not aware that what was occurring was a birth process, you would THINK something terrible is occurring. But really nothing terrible is occurring, it is a birth.

I see earth and civilization as a whole to be in a birth process. What are we being birthed into?

We are being birthed into a golden age where every one of our needs of life and survival is taken care of by automated robotic processes. We won't need to garden, advancement in growing technology will be able to grow mass amounts food with little maintenance to feed all of humanity for free. We won't need to build structures or anything ourselves, advancements in manufacturing technology will build houses, vehicles and items for us for free. We won't need money, we won't need anything. We will live free, liberated from all struggles of survival by technology. We will live as the deities we are.

But to get to that point, what will gradually have to happen is robotics and technology will slowly advance, putting more and more people out of work until the only people who have jobs are basically those who work in robotics and technology. This will look uglier and uglier as it gradually happens, but it is for the better.

You know it goes without saying that humans are not robots, the human soul is not a robot. If someone is doing a job that can be replaced by robotics then they are not doing a job that is a full expression of their soul and it comes as no surprise to me that such people will face incredible struggle and friction as the future progresses. Anything not fully aligned with it's soul purpose will struggle as we get further into the future, and to be fully aligned with ones soul means having your life committed to something that fully expresses your humanness. And something that fully expresses humanness cannot be replaced by robotics. Robots cannot replace humans, but robots can replace humans that are currently acting like robots! The future has no place for humans acting like robots. It is sad these people will struggle but it is the karmic price one pays for not remaining a full expression of the human soul and acting like a robot.

 

Technology WILL solve all problems.

There is not a problem in the entire world that I can't think of how technology will solve it.

This notion that dependency on technology is a weakness is silly. It is the natural progression of mankind to stand on higher and higher platforms of progress. At some point in the past one could say going to the hardware store and buying a hammer and chisel was reaching for technological advancement. One could say that using steel or iron was being dependent on technological advancement. A Native American 200 years ago could say why don't you learn how to create your own chisel from stone?

We must rely on the progress we make to be the platform for further progress if we are going to keep moving forward at a faster rate.

 

$500m thats nothing- our german politicians pay more than 100billions to save a bank in trouble lol

 

Have you ever considered the ramifications of creating a Star Trek transporter? Let's take a quick look.

The loss of literally millions and millions of jobs over-night. Cars, trucks, trains, boats and airplanes would become obsolete. This would be a world economic collapse event.

Or how about the security problems?
The ability to literally "beam" a bomb from anywhere in the world to anywhere in the world would plunge us into the worst totalitarian state ever known. Police on every corner, mandatory microchips being placed in the heads of children at birth and a guilty until proven innocent legal system.


The route you take to bring about this "golden age" will dictate what form this "golden age" will take.

Technology is amoral and as such it serves the immoral: the violent and corrupt. All you have to do is look around you to see the immorality of the current system. Entire families in 3rd world nations are working for pennies in sweatshops to manufacture the items that will be used in this so called "Golden Age." This is not progress, this is exploitation in its worst form.

Just because one day someone figures out how to build a Star Trek transporter doesn't mean the lives of the poor will improve.

Because someone, somewhere will have to build it, or the machines that build it. They're still going to use "modern slave labor" to either build it, or mine the minerals that will build it. At some point there will be a human component and those human beings will be exploited.


Scientists and researchers are very amoral and arrogant. They are contributing to a body of information that they know will be abused. All and any researcher should first become humble and then second, become philosopher before being allowed to conduct any experiments. Because the first thing they should be researching is the questions of what will be the ramifications of their discoveries and creations. Anything less is amoral and arrogant.

All processes that lack a moral component are inherently flawed and thereby destined to fail. And that failure will cause suffering and deaths.

 

LOL thats the biggest trash I ve read on HF yet *tu*

 

In the interests of transparency and fairness, I'm obligated to tell everyone reading this that I've also created a separate section to respond to Rygoody's commentary. It can be found here : http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?p=6914335#post6914335

Wonderful metaphors and wonderful marketing. And wicked lies!

A women willingly suffers the pangs of childbirth to bring forth a life that is part of herself, an expression of love, (whatever the circumstances of conception, she has chosen to carry the child to term). Furthermore those who benefit in your scenario are completely unknown to those enduring the hardships; so the relationship is anything but of the altruistic nature to which you have compared it. SHAME ON YOU !

We're not talking about a woman giving birth... What we're talking about is human suffering. This is bombs, poisoned lakes, children working in sweatshops, databases being compiled by governments to know what everyone is thinking, etc. You really have to be severely warped to compare this type of human suffering with that of a woman in child birth.

Your short sighted justification for your STAR TREK themed fantasy is both narcissistic and based on erroneous assumptions.
How can you, as a fellow living creature on this planet, justify the costs of this new technology so callously?


I've noticed many scientists throwing around this idea of "immortality" The idea that we can map and manipulate the human DNA in order to stop death from occurring. Have you ever considered how this fantasy will play out?

First of all who gets to be immortal; will it be you, me, all Americans and our allies or the entire world?
Who would be first to get it?
After a man is made immortal, how will he behave?

Let's try the first question,

Would we go to say Africa and offer all the Africans the chance to join us in immortality. Do we say first to them, "I know we enslaved your ancestors, stripped your nations of their natural resources, poisoned waters, sold your children guns and allowed our pharmaceutical companies to experiment on you with toxic drugs. But don't worry, all your sacrifices have gone to pave the road to being immortal.

If we did that, the next step would be a new arms race. An arms race where immortal people search for a way to turn immortals back into mortals so that they could then kill them. The quest for the ultimate club to smash each other's brains would continue.
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How about the second question,

Undoubtedly no one is going to spray the entire populations of the world and make us all immortal at the same time. They will start off with some sort of criteria where the richest will go first (hey, they paid for it), then scientists, politicians and the most beautiful. They can avoid all the problems of the first question by giving it only to certain classes/groups in our society instead of entire peoples.

And if you're not one of them, you're going to end up serving them. (ie: A type of slave or if you're lucky, a pet)
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Now lastly the third question,

Making a man immortal doesn't change the kind of man he was. But now being immortal, he would be removed from all responsibility for his actions. How do you punish a man that will live forever? If he raped a woman, do you sentence him to a thousand years in prison? If he can kill a mortal and he himself can't be killed, what will deter him from killing millions for pleasure?

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Can you imagine the sense of "superiority" that a man made immortal would have towards the rest of the world? He could make the pettiness of ancient Greek gods look tame. In short, making a man immortal is worst than putting a loaded gun in the hand of a monkey. It's putting a nuclear bomb in the hand of a narcissistic and arrogant homosapien.


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I really hate to attack you. But your comparison to childbirth has got to be one of the sickest and most narcisstic things I have ever read in my life. Once again, SHAME ON YOU !

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My friend, humanity's best hope lies not in technology
But in craftsmanship, artisinal pursuits and literacy for everyone.


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Exactly, it's not enough to do anything for it's alleged purpose, but it's just the right amount for a re-election slush fund.

 

So what would you people invest in instead?

 

Artisanal and Craftsmanship through apprentice programs.
Artists, authors and cultural programs.
Literacy

And if you really want something controversial, animal powered public transit.

I just finished reading a chineese translated article on animal powered public transit. Apparently in some areas of China and Russia they're field testing the idea of using good old fashioned horses and other animals for public transit. They cost 1/5th of total costs for normal public transit, the environmental impact is significantly lowered and they appear to create relatively the same number of jobs.

But also noted a finding that surprises everyone. The presence of animals and the interaction of humans with the animals via the public transit; Has the result of lowering crime rates in the area. I don't know about you or anyone else, but I would rather invest in horse poop bags instead of tazers and police.

AND you're back to craftsmanship. Because care and handling of horses is a skill.

 

I think that could work in downtown areas, but how would you get people into the city from the suburbs? It's already difficult enough to get them to use light rail and whatnot. They'll never go for horse-drawn wagons.

The horse poop would be great for my garden, too!