People that "never come back".

People that "never come back".Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder

 

even if an underlying mental illness is triggered by lsd, it is still caused by lsd. how do you know that the mental illness would have actually surfaced later? that's kind of like breaking a damn then being like, well, all that water was up there anyway it was gunna come down sooner or later.

besides, my friend that i was talking about didnt act shizophrenic in the least.

edit - either way, i guess it's just semantics

 

In that article they explain that HPPD is persisting visuals. Not quite like "not coming back" mentally. It seems.

 

Is it really any different. Each experience molds our brain to see the world in different ways, drugs or not. New information enters and we see the world differently, so does a change really mean anything negative?

 

The only people i have heard that dont come back are people that go into comas from shit like datura or something of that nature. I personally dont believe that someone can just be "tripping" for their entire lives from LSD, Mushrooms, or DMT unless it induces schizophrenia in them.

 

I would not consider that the same thing, I see hallucinations whenever I smoke weed or zone out for a long time, and I'm sure a lot of people here do too. I'm pretty sure once you eat a lot of doses in a small time frame your gonna have HPPD. HPPD is a completely different thing from "losing your mind".

 

Don't believe the hype, but also DON'T be an idiot.

Understand you are very very sensitive while under the effects of LSD, so plan a comfortable night with a low dose each time until you build comfort with the drug.

Even then, one should always be aware to never put yourself in a bad situation.

 

You are right but most people mistake hppd for someone that is losing your mind .It is more along the lines of the doors never closing all the way.

 

coming back is for pussies :sifone:

 

Why not read some of the literature about the many studies done during the 40', 50's and early 60's with LSD in therapeutic and clinical studies? Get info from qualified people as well as a collection of random people on the internet. I have nothing against sharing stories, good or bad, but to get an accurate appraisal, you really do need to consider the "articles".

Statistically from everything I have read, lasting, long term psychosis from LSD ingestion only occurs in about 0.1% of the people who have taken it.

One study I read about, can't remember if it was Grof or Osmond, they followed up on patients some forty years after the fact. Those that did have bad experiences reported that in hindsight the experiences were only bad because of issues they were reluctant to come to terms with, but ultimately the LSD experience was beneficial and helped.

If you just listen to people's personal accounts to the exclusion of credible medical sources, it just adds to the myths and bullshit that already is in abundance.

Bottom line, if you are of average health, physically and mentally, with no family history of schizophrenia or related psychosis, the chances of becoming "perma fried" are almost nil.

I personally have never had a bad psychedelic experience, I've had some very difficult ones, but more because of facing issues than losing reality.
I have also never witnessed a bad trip.

Now PCP, boy I got a few stories about that substance.

 

Go to the safe room with some fresh fruit ,you'll come down in a week or so....

 

Wise words.

From Using Psychedelics Wisely by Myron J Stolaroff

As the drug opens the door to the unconscious, huge spectrums of possibilities of experience present themselves. Just how one steers through this vast maze depends mostly upon set. Set includes the contents of the personal unconscious, which is essentially the record of all one's life experience. It also includes one's walls of conditioning, which determine the freedom with which one can move through various vistas. Another important aspect of set consists of one's values, attitudes, and aspirations. These will influence the direction of attention and determine how one will deal with the psychic material encountered.
In fact, one can learn a great deal by accepting and reconciling oneself with uncomfortable material. Resisting this discomfort, on the other hand, can greatly intensify the level of pain, leading to disturbing, unsatisfactory experiences, or even psychotic attempts at escape. This latter dynamic is largely responsible for the medical profession's view of these materials as psychotomimetic. On the other hand, surrender, acceptance, gratitude, and appreciation can result in continual opening, expansion, and fulfillment.


http://www.psychedelic-library.org/stolarof.htm

 

Need to get that one.
That sums it up precisely. :sunny:
So in my opinion and the above supports it, there are no "bad" trips, just ones we may not wish to take once we've already pushed off from shore, but it's all from within, even our reactions to external situations.

 

Exactly. I'm a firm believer in difficult experiences, not bad trips. That train of thinking will help your personal self dig deeper.

 

hi guys,

i'm a person who has "never come back." i've done lsd about 26 times or more in the past year & i am a daily toker [no tobacca/drinking and time period is 7/8/2010 to now]. my sources have been very good, ganeshas, microstars, hoffman 2010 &11s various other prints, etc. so it's not bad doses that have done this to me, and i've certainly never had a bad experience with lsd, because i am not an idiot, so i'm not stuck here because of that either. i drive myself crazy a lot, sometimes i talk to myself, and i talk very fast. i even come up with different comedy personas to keep myself entertained...lol :afro: my thoughts are almost in constant acid-analysis mode, i.e. i always think 'fractally.' my crazy definitely stands out in social situations, especially if i'm chiefin some reef with someone and i have gained the labels: washed up, burned out, etc. by people with inferior intelligence to me. i smoked a few bowls of some hash by myself the other night and i experienced for the first time what i would consider "an acid flashback," which consisted of mass visual static just like i was tripping, a body feeling almost exactly like lsd, and sparkles in my vision, when just earlier i had casually joked to a tripper friend of mine that i'm still waiting for my free trips i got saved up in my bodz.

when i eat acid now, i don't have the spiritual mind boggling trips i first did. i just laugh my ass off and, i don't know how else i would describe it, but feel high as a kite. its like being in a circus kind of. feels like i've been there too much though, and i understand the mindstate all to well. i feel very naturally high all the time, and not a smoking high, even when i have smoked! i often forget what points i'm getting at in conversation and forget words, i will think of something, then seconds later, literally FORGET it. like a COMPLETE blank. i will forget things are on my lap more often than ever now, forget to do things, mostly just memory problems. when i smoke weed now, my eyes don't get chinked, they get blasted open with a faint foggy feeling and my thoughts start flowing more than normal and my legs calm down. well, i didn't mention that my legs shake restlessly with energy all the time now, but they certainly do.

my vision is very bad due to hppd. i see visual snow/static on white surfaces at all times, i can barely see in the dark, LED lights are about ten times brighter, just like when i'm tripping and they shine like diamonds, i see tracers, some nice sober-CEVs, etc. i've read that this is because the brain picks up new patterns and learns them from memory, so its your brain remembering what it's like to trip. these annoying effectshowever go away post mushroom-trips for some reason and are slightly diminished for now as i've changed into a new pair of contacts.

however, i am very happy and have learned to live with it.. like i said, i perform stand up comedy with myself, provide many lulz for my friends and family, and i, girls dig the crazy, it's just very hard to operate at night for me [driving]. i can barely see people's front turn signals, sometimes two headlights on one car will look like two motorcycles vertically lined up [wtf?], and if i'm walking, i have trouble crossing in crosswalks (i used to walk a lot & could do things flawlessly and always walk when dosed now) so i have to walk farther on down roads and jay walk, and various other things involving lights and rain puddles [rainbows in them more now than ever].

i have about 6 friends who trip fair amounts, but not as much as me, and also have tiny hppd symptoms, lights & white walls-not actually-white-but-purpely-staticy, but again, not as much as me, so, maybe acid will change you, maybe not vision wise if your lucky, but probably the way you think. i'm sure you have read about opening the doors you can't close? what about life changing 'journeys'? these certainly are very real and with repeated usage i guess they have become more apparent, as seen in me.

i would also like to add that on the internet, on forums, such as this one [i think this is my first post though, long time lurker though, hi bros :sunny:], and email, and instant messenger, my thoughts that i write are very long and complex just like these ones. i tried to send a message to one of my old friends from HS who is just an Amurrican and chews tobaccy and drinks but is a crazy good guitarist asking him to fix my tape delay and some other shit, but explaining the problems of the equipment became paragraphs similar in length to these ones and my plea was blatantly ignored so now i'm probably crazy in another person's eyes. yay!

if it means anything however, my uncle was too a person who "never came back" and was considered the burn out of the family and a failure of society, so perhaps it runs in the genes. (RIP bro)

adios amigos
stay hip
:2thumbsup:

 

Erm didn't read the whole thread. Personally, I know people who've had bad trips. They were always fine afterward, and sought to eat acid again with corrected set and setting.

Academically, I studied the net as hard as I could for conclusive evidence that LSD precipitates the onset of schizophrenia, and there was none. But there was also no conclusive evidence that it couldn't.

Although acid can help mental hangups we have, or at least offer perspective on them, a good rule of thumb is to avoid it if you currently have mental or emotional issues. Take conventional measures to achieve a happy, benevolent state of mind before dosing.

Honestly there is so much favorable clinical documentation of the acid experience that it makes the anecdotal proofs look like puritanical hype.

 

Well, gee, that'll definitely do that to ya. May I ask how old you are?

 

My buddy had a college roommate who'd never tried psychedelics until he went to school. The dude loved drinking and partying, and got a little wilder than most doing that, but he decided to take psychedelics because there really weren't any big warning flags telling him not to.

One night, after tripping without significant incident for much of the semester, the guy took ten hits, and he wasn't the same after that. He ended up carving a peace sign into his forehead five days later, and got really paranoid, always thinking the police were after him.

Turns out that schizophrenia ran in his family. He'd been getting a little worse everytime he tripped, but not all that perceptibly, and then the higher dosage trip finally sent him over the edge. He ended up having to leave college and go back home to get psychiatric help.

I've known tons of people who've tripped before, though, even at high doses, and have done so as well - as have all of my friends. Between us, that's the only firsthand experience any of us has ever had with someone really losing their shit. So - I suppose that it can happen, but it's really unlikely.

Just don't do something stupid and eat a strip your first time, and I'd say there's less than a .001% chance that you'll have anything go wrong. As has been stated before in this thread, moderation is key. You really need to know yourself and how you handle the drug before doing any high amounts if you really want to be safe.

 

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