do you believe in the spiritworld?

do you believe the spiritworld is real? do we contain some spark of life or consciousness that leaves the body to go on living in death?
the concept interests me immensely, i believe that the spirit does live on after death and that there is another 'plane of existance' ie. the spiritworld.
but i believe it is just alternate to our reality like two sides of one peice of paper, as such spirits that refuse to accept their fate can remain in the location of death on the other side of the 'paper' and maintain limited and fleeting contact and influence over this reality.. such phenomenons as this could explain 'ghost sightings etc.
it is not to say spirits are all knowing or all-powerfull, they are simply like us, and like we are to animals (although we are animals) they merely inhabit a different form, a different logic. some have problems, others are at peace, others are nasty, might be playfull, sad or just plain mean and the list goes on. so a poltergeist could-according to this theory- be an example of a spirit freed from its physical body by death but still attached to this world, desperately attempting to gain the attention of those in its familiar surroundings in this plane of existance..
i know this is no new way of thinking, it's spiritualism. although i am new to spiritualism and would like to hear peoples stories (to support or dismiss) or ideas on this concept..

thanks guys

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I think there is something, especially after using heavy psycedelics like LSD, shrooms, salvia, they really give u an idea of WHAT reality can be like, and WHAT is out there. itd be pretty closed minded to turn down all these ideas especially after all of that insight with the use of those drug tools. Idk what the spirit world is exactly, i know there is a spirit world in the REAL world, and what im talking about now is the spirits that every human and animal has, so i guess im talking about living spirits on this planet. There is "matter" and then there is something else that makes up a "spirit" in a being, nobody really has an answer how spirits are formed to be so yeah really fascinating stuff.

 

No. I don't discount it outright, but I think it is a mistake to believe in something we have no proof for, especially when current science is actually discrediting many spiritualist claims and is pointing more in the direction of any kind of consciousness simply ceasing...which explains my next answer...

Probably not.

 

We can count on current emergence or the emerging current. Nothing real can be threatened.

 

This is the second time I've seen you say this. As a sentence standing alone without further explanation it makes absolutely no sense, so would you mind clarifying? Real things are very clearly threatened on a regular basis. Orang utans are under threat of extinction, abused children are threatened by their guardians, people are being blackmailed. As far as I am aware, children, orang utans and people who've been blackmailed are all real in the best sense we can understand the word. They exist. Their threat exists.

Elaborate?

Far from adding any extra depth to conversation, I find talking in riddles just muddies the waters.

 

I hope there is some sort of after life, but I'm not sure what I believe. Whatever afterlife there is though, I hope it's not associated with christianity. lol I've burned that bridge to ashes with my blasphemous ways.

 

Don't talk in riddles then. I am speaking plainly, not in riddles.

Animals go extinct, there is no threat of extinction, extinction is a fact. Children die and are abused, there is no threat of it, it happens.
Harm has no face because it is imagined only.

Do you believe that you will live forever? Do you believe that somehow you will escape pain in this life? We are never upset for a fact, but only the interpretation of fact. Every issue that seems vital to you, you made up, sometimes by yourself or sometimes in collusion with others. You give the world all the value it has for you and no value exists apart from your affirmations.

The transience of the physical is absolute. Any idea of permanence or opposition is an illusion. Nothing real can be threatened as nothing unreal exists. The disparity comes when you imagine it could somehow be another way, that what is real can suddenly become unreal. Temptation is the temptation to believe that illusions are real, and it is this belief that contributes to a sense of loss.

Quite frankly, if you think that reality can be threatened, you haven't seen it
but only imagine that it does not comply with what should be.

There are no discrete systems, reality is non-local, not is it remote. There is no point that is more or less real than any other point.

 

yoo dawg i rememba me an you tns we used to have crayzeeyy ass convos about our souls and the afterlife and shit thats some of the best convos about this shit i remember having with people was with you dog

 

What you appear to be raising is the question of free will. If endangered animals cannot be under threat of extinction, that means that they will either become extinct or will not despite what our human consciousnessness may or may not wish to do. I think the only circumstance under which you would wish to argue a lack of threat to an endangered species is if your basis was determinism and their fate was sealed. Am I understanding you yet?

If you are arguing that the phenomenon of extintion on this planet is a fact and therefore species currently on the verge of it are not under threat, I think that's a matter of semantics and your point doesn't actually cancel out the threat for the species currently in that position.

Otherwise, I maintain that threats can exist. Blackmail is a good example. I have been threatened by a man carrying a small knife. He told me to kiss him and he held out the weapon. The threat was implicit. I was real and was really threatened by him.

No. See above.

With the little evidence we have right now, I concur.

I'm afraid that yet again I'm failing to comprehend the conclusion of your post.

 

I'd be willing to bet, when you die you die.

I guess I'm never able to be proved right though. Only wrong. And frankly the people who say there's an afterlife have had a long time to put their money where their mouth is.

 

I don't understand it in that way, not as determinism or fate, but that there is a factual world that we all share, and transience is a fact of it. Further in a space time continuum, all events are abstract. There is nothing frozen in time, so to speak. When you speak of an event, it is perceived as having both a beginning and an ending and both of those states, beginning and ending, are totally adherent to perspective. It is the current fact of physics that things are not measurable until they are measured, our attention influences the results of the experiment.

Transience is the truth, permanence is the illusion. Nothing real can be threatened. Your life consists of an uncertain duration and only the time it takes will define it it. You see a threat in time but the divisions of time are mental abstractions.

Fundamentally feeling follows thought. Home sapiens are both tasting man and knowing man. Perhaps you believed today was not your time to die and you don't really believe you can live forever, but it appears to me that you do. Our lives will be a series of sensations some of which we call pleasant and some not so, and this may be true regardless of our material situation. That you felt threatened does not mean that what is or what you are is genuinely threatened. Your terror did not change the facts, did not alter any real thing.

I do not at all mean do belittle your experience but the way the world appears to us reflect our narrative of it.

For example, say your riding a bus and your boyfriend hops on and surreptitiously and playfully grabs your crotch you would have one reaction but if a stranger performed exactly the same acts, motion for motion, you would react differently. The difference being in the way you couch your descriptions of the person who is doing it and your descriptions of the act accordingly. You could say it is a different person who touched you in each case, but what each person represents to you is wholly for you to decide.

I would suggest that the mindless impulse for self preservation can become cause for unremitting gratitude if we correctly identify our complicity with events. The attraction of fear is in it's suggestion that it will keep you safe but it's real intent is to keep you from going where you will.

I wonder, see above

We can get there, you are not looney, nor am I.

Our world view is electromagnetic and chemo-synthetic circuitry that resonates into the environment. What we see is what we get, but what we see is refracted light. Our mental picture of the world is a simulation, an abstraction, bound by the parameters we ourselves establish. We see to believe and believe to see. Our creative impulse proceeds an orderly fashion always thought, word, then deed, most times happening so quickly and fluidly that it's order is imperceptible.

What we do is dream a dream and seeing ourselves figures in the dream, forget we are the dreamer.

My conclusion is that nothing real can be threatened and the conclusions effects are the end of fear. When I say fear I mean anxiety that has it's origin in perspective, not the example of the fight or flight response, although that physiological automatic response can be overcome just as we can moderate our breathing.

 

I do believe in the spirit world or God. I will give 3 examples.

3 year old boy in Joplin was found in a freezer after the tornado, when he was asked how he got there he said a man with wings put him in there.

Another boy Colton Burpo was on the Today Show recently telling how when he was little and had surgery how he had sat in Jesus lap and had met his older sister while there. His older sister had never been born, she had died when his mother had a miscarrige. He didn't know that. Google it and read the story.

My daughter when she was having surgery on her kidneys had angles visit her. I am a
firm beleiver in God and spriit world. Little kids don't make things up like this and how would you explain Colton's story. I know there are a lot of none beleivers out there and that is your choice just as it is mine to be a beleiver. I just ask that you Goggle Colton Burpo and read the story.

 

Little kids make stuff up all the time.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPnQ-Uf0XeI"]YouTube - ‪Young Guns‬‏
yeap...

 

Spirit world sounds pretty cool, because honestly living it a material world ain't that great.

 

I can't even imagine what my spirit is in form

waste of a little bright light no doubt

i shapeshifted once

never again little leap of freedom

what is spirit is not in the 3D white world of straight lines into our eyeballs

most of the universe is awash with light on every plane in front of our sight

 

i ask you fingermouse can science explain what consciousness is?
or even what electricity is.
the short answer is no, it can explain some of their mechanisms but it cannot explain what they are