Drunk Driving

Don't do it.

 

As usual on memorial day weekend there are DUI checkpoints all over the state; but with so many drunk driving Apps these days that if you’re stupid enough to get pulled over you deserve to get caught



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Now THOSE piss me off.

I won't give up liberty for pretend safety.

Especially the ones with a judge ready to sign a warrant for your blood for no reason other than that you refused, as you have the right to. I wouldn't feel too bad if a drunk driver hit the whole checkpoint as fast as he could and killed all the pigs.

Maybe next we can let them run house to house to make sure no one's drinking underage.

 

I just like seeing a cross-section of members replies daily, and their general attitudes and personalities the best I can through the screen. Yet, once personal anecdotes and epiphanies from a scenario appear in conversation and debate, it is weird to see their responses with personal emotion attached. They are blinded by their own emotions to others views.

 

What is the basis for criminal charges if you have some alcohol in your system but under 80 mg/dl? Do you have to make driving errors? I know they can't even pull you over unless they have "reasonable suspicion" as it is. In a way, this kind of approach actually makes sense. The only objective measure you can use to determine drunkenness is the BAC, but this isn't really a measure of how drunk you are. Tolerance may mean that someone with a higher BAC is less affected by alcohol than someone with a lower BAC and less tolerance. If you have alcohol in you and are making driving errors, it can be interpreted that the alcohol is causing it, and therefore you're unfit to drive, arbitrary legal limits notwithstanding.

 

there should be legal limit for drinking and driving - a complete ban would be ridiculous. i mean the ethical argument is that you wouldn't, but the law has to take into account exceptions.

i don't think, for example, somebody should be arrested for still being tipsy from the night before. they may have done everything by the book, taken a taxi home that night - tried to cleanse their system etc. but if they are still foggy and crash

maybe unaware that they are drunk, they shouldn't be locked up. i think that's why people have that allowance.

 

well, drunken shooting isn't safe, but if it's done with normal safety precautions (other than not drinking) it's not all that dangerous.

my point isn't that drunk driving is ok, it's that reckless driving is more dangerous than drunk driving, yet is practically considered a good thing while taking a sip of beer and driving home safely is about equal to murder peoples' minds.

if you get drunk and drive 100 mph down a sidewalk, someone's going to die. if you get drunk and shoot into a crowd, someone's going to die. thing is, someone will die if you do those things sober too.

 

Right, but while drunk someone may not (as easily at least) be able to control the direction and/or speed they are driving. So, had they been driving sober, they wouldn't have been barreling down a sidewalk. While drunk driving they have less control over this.

Yes, people can do it sober, but those people would have to make the conscious decision to do so. The drunk may not make a conscious effort to do so. To that extent, the alcohol can be blamed, in part as much as the drunk who chose to get behind the wheel.

 

i don't really think that's true. all the alcohol does is slows their reaction to the guy who is suddenly walking down the sidewalk in front of them. it does not make them speed or drive on the sidewalk.

it's just like when someone gets drunk and cheats on their significant other. in that situation, everyone jumps down the cheater's throat saying that alcohol doesn't make you do anything you don't want to do, just gives you an excuse to do so. why is driving recklessly any different from this?

 

Well, driving drunk, and sometimes stoned, makes one somewhat unaware of how much pressure they're putting on the gas. And as you said, it slows their reaction time. So, while the person sober would normally be much quicker to brake for a pedestrian (or another vehicle), the alcohol slows them down. So in that case I would think the alcohol would be to blame.

I don't know though, I'm not saying this is fact, just thinking.

It reminds me of another example. There was a post on HFs awhile ago about a man who was dosed mushrooms, I think it was shrooms, without his knowing by some friends of his. While high the dude lost his mind, murdered then ate parts of his friend.

While one can't entirely blame the mushrooms, the guy was clearly a little fucked in the head to begin with, he may not have ever done that had he not ingested a psychedelic. Perhaps it was only a matter of time until he did something of that nature, who knows. But both the person and the substance are somewhat responsible I would think.

 

yeah, it could make them less aware of how much pressure they are putting on the gas. but then, i often don't realize how much pressure i'm putting on it sober either, which is why cars come with a built in speedometer.

ultimately, this. i just think that a lot more of the blame lies on the person than what people tend to say. it is the person who chooses to drive recklessly, the alcohol just makes it that much harder for them to avoid the dangers that come from driving recklessly.

 

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I have to disagree about stoned driving.

There's a clear line at which being stoned makes me a worse driver. That line is generally referred to as "unconscious".

I'm MUCH more in tune with the car, from hearing more subtle changes in engine speed or tone, to feeling grip on the road, when stoned. It's quite the opposite of drunk. Sometimes my mind might wander a bit, but that happens sober, and probably more sober, sober I drive a bit on automatic pilot, stoned it's one of the most amazingly fun things I can think of so I tend to pay lots of attention to it.

 

it's fucked up and my ex friends used to brag about doing it.

 

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"I drive better drunk than you do sober"

I'm probably just full of shit, but I think I can honestly say this about a very good portion of the people I've ridden with in my entire life. My parents are the only notable exceptions, because they're VERY careful slow drivers, and having ridden with them my whole life, I do the same.... Except when sober and on private roads, prefferibly in someone elses car

 

A very very sweet kid I worked with when I first started at my job forever ago passed away early Saturday morning because he was driving drunk. It was pretty horrible, too, he was apparently notorious for neglecting to wear a seatbelt, and he was ejected and slowly bled to death. He had two friends in the car, too, one of them is in the ICU right now and the other walked away without serious injuries. I work with one of his best friends and it's just heartbreaking watching him deal with that. I think he was 22. So young.

 

that sucks... i know someone who took a pile of speed and crashed a car when he was seventeen, killed the other two passengers (who were both fourteen) ironically speeding and then hitting a tree.

he went to jail for a very small amount of time. he is such a dick.

 

This thread sucks.

 

i think you may need to buy it a few martini's first.

 

Ill buy it some blunts so everyone gets too high to talk.