Thank you capitalism

To be honest full-blown capitalism is far more oppresive than democratic socialism ever will be, it just leads to the rich becoming more powerful and their offspring left over where they left off and the poor stay poor. I don't think socialism was implemented right in China and Russia, socialism shouldn't mean that people can't practice there religions and have freedom of speech. Anyway Capatlism isn't working and it's only a matter of time before the American empire who's spreading it's free-market ideology everywhere falls.

 

Of course it would.

I agree.

I would certainly hope so, but why are you so certain? Of course, every empire falls, but why do you think it is "just a matter of time"?

 

Someone please explain how capitalism isn't working?

 

Look at South Africa and Africa and you might get an idea.


Look at the gigantic wealth gap between people.






Look how the majority of people are suffering in this world, while a few persons are owning about half the planet.

 

Look at North Korea vs. South Korea and see how capitalism isn't working.

Look at China vs. Taiwan or Hong Kong and see how capitalism is not working.

Look at European countries dominated by the USSR between 1945 and 1991 compared to those that weren't and see how capitalism is not working.

Look at Cuba vs. Chile and see how capitalism is not working.

Looks to me like capitalism is working.

His point is that everything bad happening in Russia right now is because of capitalism. Everything bad that happened in Russia between 1917 and 1991 was something's fault, but that something was not communism, because communism is a theoretical utopia which hasn't been achieved.

I suppose we can play along - it wasn't communism that killed millions in the USSR, it was communists.

OK then. Thanks for clarifying that.

 

This is getting childish. "Compare this to that". You don't take into account of anything.

The US imposes a blockade on Cuba, which is very unfair. Just a little while after the new government was established in Cuba, the US bombed Cuba, destroying over 30 tons of Cuban sugar. The US has done everything in power in order to destroy Cuba. You can't compare Chile and Cuba.


You could, however, look at Uganda, Sudan and Haiti etc., and then you will obviously see that capitalism is not supportive of the working class. What's going on in these countries... Well, it's not a pretty site.

A few rich are ruling the country, while the rest of the country suffers. Not only that, but the ruling class in US and Europe are exploiting these countries, making them even more backward.

99 percent of the world is under capitalism, and half the worlds population makes under two dollars a day. 30 000 starve to death every day. How do you explain that?

 

99% of the world is under capitalism?? WTF are you talking about?

 

North Korea and Cuba have a socialist economy. Not many others could be considered anything similar.

Mexico is capitalist. Kenya is capitalist. Nigeria is capitalist. Kazakhstan is capitalist, and so on.






In most countries in the world, the markets regulate the prices.

 

99 percent of the world is under capitalism, because, even though it's not fair for everyone, it works rather well. 30,000 starve to death every day, because of two things = overpopulation, and 'survival of the fittest'. Yes, I am using a darwin term on humans. Naturally, the humans who are most able to get the food get it. It's not always fair.

Communism, since the government provides equal wealth, you can be great and efficient, or you can be a lazy douche, and it doesn't make much of a difference. The reason communism never works is because people ENJOY excelling. Sure, some people lose. That also makes them mad. But when the winners can't win, they get mad too. Basically, neither of the consequences do much.

From there, it's all a matter of opinion...
A. People should get what they work for.
B. People should get everything regardless of how much they do.

Personally, I pick A. If somebody stays in their basement all day, they shouldn't get as many benefits as someone who is productively helping the economy. Also, you'll probably say that we'll make them work. Last time somebody tried that, a huge number of people died or were arrested.
Basically, going like that, it's do what the government tells you to do workwise or be punished. Ever read 1984? Sure, 'the party' was centrist statism, but leftist statism can't be better by much. Plus there are WAY too many people to keep completely in line. The only way communism could possibly work would be among a very small population.

 

It isn't fair for most people.

30, 000 starve to death, not because they have to, but because of the system. There is plenty of food, water and medication for everyone in the world.

Capitalism is not fair.

In communism, there will be no government. Communism is a classless, stateless society.

There is also another

C. To work for someone else, but not to be paid the real value of your labor.


If I remember correct, that is capitalism.

There is no scientific proof of this.

 

Actually that is about the most sensible statement you have made so far. Unfortunately most of the comparisons have resulted in you throwing up pretty vacant statements as to why the world has failed under capitalism without any rational explanation as to why communism has not worked in any countries where it has been tried. You offer no alternative ideas or thoughts but just keep harping back to communism and criticism of capitalism.

You said that the world would be better under communism. Now how would you know? Like its worked elsewhere or is this your own branded version?

You use hunger and starvation to point out where capitalism has failed and yet do not dwell on the biggest human disasters of all time having operated under regimes that were communist. Did communist countries ever help solve the worlds famine or help poorer countries? When asked these questions before you simply reply - We are not discussing this - A bit of a wet reason to avoid a question. Please, stop being a complete dipstick and get real.

You would like to share the worlds wealth around and expect things to stay that way when in reality capitalism will just return.

You live in a European country when you could quite easily leave and go and practice what you preach in Cuba, Russia or how about North Korea? Why do you not go there? By the sound of things your country would be glad to get rid of you.

To sum it up. You are an idealist without and idea. You a communist version of the bible bashers of old with visions of grandeur and Walter Mitty dreams.

To fire it straight back at you - Your a waste of space

Why not open up a hippy commune somewhere and find a few deadheads who will listen to your drivel and help water the cabbages for you. Your communism might just work with a maximum of twenty like minded people.

Have a nice day

 

Again, this is not a debate about communism. Secondly, communism has not existed in any countries.

Because a system like communism won't exploit the majority of the people.

Again, I don't see why this should be a debate about communism.

So now you are blaming communists and refuse to take responsibility for what capitalism has done, and is doing?

The form of government in these so-called "communist countries" are socialist, not communist.

Because I do not have enough money? Because there is no point? Why the hell should I go to Russia?

This is a debate about capitalism for fuck sake. Could you at least try to keep the debate on topic?

Could you explain how capitalism is working in Kenya, Nigeria, Kazakhstan and Sudan?

 

This is not a debate about communism - repetitive bullshit

Ah so there is a new type of communism that would work if only we would all embrace it. Now I understand. Communism never existed in Russia or China - well not as our writer invisaged it anyway.

Well let me explain it to you. You call yourself communism and deride capitalism. You invite others to join you and then wonder why the subject of communism crops up - Hello? Is anybody home?

No, I am not blaming communists for anything. I am pointing out what has happened. It is a historical fact. Nothing else. Why don't you tell us exactly and in great detail just what alternative you actually have to capitalism. Until you actually do this you are farting in the wind.

Not your kind of communism you mean

Well you could try and re install your version of communism. They might actually listen to you there.

Does the lift really go to the top floor with you? How many people have already explained why communism ends up being part of the debate when you attack capitalism. What part of this do you not understand? Is anyone actually getting through to you?

It isn't working. Whats your point? What about where it is working and has worked for years. Again, what is the alternative?

 

FOR THE FIFTY BILLIONTH FUCKING TIME, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT STATES RUN BY COMMUNISTS, NOT SOME THEORETICAL UTOPIA.

WE DON'T KNOW IF COMMUNISM KILLS PEOPLE, BUT WE ARE ABSOLUTELY FUCKING SURE AS SHIT THAT COMMUNISTS KILL PEOPLE, DELIBERATELY, AS A MATTER OF POLICY, BY THE MILLIONS AND SOMETIMES TENS OF MILLIONS.

WE DON'T KNOW IF COMMUNISM WOULD END POVERTY, BUT WE ARE ABSOLUTELY FUCKING 100% CERTAIN THAT COMMUNISTS RUIN ECONOMIES AND CREATE EQUALITY IN POVERTY.

WE DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE WOULD BE FREE UNDER COMMUNISM, BUT WE KNOW ALL TOO WELL HOW MUCH FREEDOM THERE IS IN COUNTRIES RUN BY COMMUNISTS - NONE.

Really, you are so fucking lame and pathetic with your weasel words of apology.

 

Pointbreak - I don't think your gonna get through man

I think I will create a new account and call myself capitalism. I'll open a new thread called communism and then stop anyone discussing capitalism.

 

There are other alternatives to capitalism, then communism.

Does it work in The Gambia, Benin, Cameroon, Lesotho, or in Senegal?

Democratic socialism, for instance?

 

Here we go - round and round in circles again


Plank

 

Why don't you answer my question?

Does capitalism work in The Gambia, Benin, Cameroon, Lesotho, or in Senegal?

Are you able to see what capitalism can do to people?

 

The reason I don't answer your question is due to you refusing to answer mine and other peoples properly and the fact you dismiss what you don't like to hear by claiming it is off topic.

Quoting countries where capitalism (especially the examples you use) has failed is just plainly ridiculous as pointed out previously by another poster. They have failed not through capitalism but through war, lack of resources, bad government and poor economy as well you know.


http://www.geocities.com/chilenationalist/vandals.html

 

Read the name of the thread: "Thank you capitalism". It's a discussion about capitalism.









You are giving me a link of a website that says:

Pinochet has killed about 30,000 people (correct me if I am wrong). Would it be useful to debate with such man?


You are giving me a link to a website that is pro-pinochet, pro-totalitarianism, and pro-dictatorship.

It is off topic. You want to create a debate on how "eeeevil" communism is, while dropping the debate on capitalism, which is really what this thread is about.

You still fail to answer my question:


Does capitalism work in The Gambia, Benin, Cameroon, Lesotho, or in Senegal?