Can someone answer these Questions about Religion please?

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by maluhia, Apr 20, 2011.

  1. thedope

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    I am called many things in my life. From sinner to saint, from good to bad, male, son, brother, father, grandfather. I am in fact all of these things to those people at those times, but I am none in particular.

    Some people mistake compliance for integrity and some confuse a persons beliefs with the dynamics of person-hood. A person can believe one thing and turn around and believe something entirely different at another time.

    "Ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened to you." Are you sure christians don't ask those types of questions or leave their inquiring minds at the door?

    I understand the sentiment behind the statement. You are talking about a mindset that is not limited to christianity, but is part of cultural indoctrination everywhere, we are the good people and those not like us are inferior.
     
  2. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    Exactly

    As you said in the post before the one quoted above, the rest seems to simply be competing philosophies. Armchair interpretations of right and wrong according to someone or something one has never met.

    "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

    and

    "Actions speak louder than words."

    Both of these will get a person far in life, as well as reveal their personality.

    It is human nature though to want to know more, as well as to want to relate to a version of right and wrong.
     
  3. thedope

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    No I haven't seen or heard of it. I'll look for it.
     
  4. Meliai

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    I was raised to believe that Jesus died for my sins, but that never made sense to me. Why would someone have to die so that I can live?

    I realized around the age of 16 or 17, when I really started questioning my beliefs, that the majority of Christians miss the point completely. The only parts of Christianity that should matter are the teachings of Christ, which have nothing to do with his divinity or lack thereof, or dying on a cross, or rising from the dead after 3 days.

    If the Bible were scaled down to only include Christ's teachings and leave out all the extranenous, superstitious elements, the religion would be much more pure and holy.
     
  5. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    If you're ever interested, check out the Nag Hammadi. It's a gnostic text, as far as I know it outdates the New Testament. Not that that really matters.

    But it gives a much, much more human view of Jesus and his message, though still cryptic, is much more clear. It isn't surrounded by or given all the divinity and semantics that the authors of the bible attributed to it.

    It also isn't all, "thou shalt, thou shalt."

    There's a couple really good gospels in it that are filled with Jesus just speaking with people in a much more human way. It's really interesting.

    Most chrisitians absolutely refuse to acknowledge it as a spiritual text however because they don't want people to know that Jesus was just a smart, spiritual guy who hung out on the rocks and talked to people about life.

    They write it off as a misleading account written by people who were not disciples, when in fact it was written by people who were very close to him. One was, according to the book, Jesus' twin brother.
     
  6. scratcho

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    His twin brother Jose? (sorry--couldn't resist)
     
  7. Meliai

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    That sounds awesome, I will give it a looksie
     
  8. thedope

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    It is hard to convince people that basic goodness has nothing to do with theology. Theology is like a picture of a seating arrangement at a dinner party. It doesn't include the guests or the meal.
     
  9. skip

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    Christians refuse to admit that Jesus was a peaceful hippy who studied Eastern Philosophy and taught what he learned, and lived what he believed. Instead the church created this huge mythology surrounding him to enable them to control the minds and pocketbooks of their followers.

    So much of what Jesus actually taught is found in Buddhism. Everything the church added was based on the Patriarchal system of the prevailing Judaism, but included some Eastern (pagan) elements to appease their followers who abandoned Judaism or paganism (like pagan holidays). Just the fact that they still accepted the Old Testament really shows they were still into a vengeful god whose wrath should be feared, instead of the loving god who Jesus preached about.
     
  10. maluhia

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    No way... I dont wanna be a Buddhist!! :(
    For me is just like believing in Greek Myths
     
  11. vansrouge

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    Based on Skip, I want to share this story. I simply love it.

    @maluhia

    To me religions sucks, no matter what religion it is. I hate the idea to follow someone's ideologies. I want to be authentic and it's not a question of egocentrism, it simply means that if we are all Gods, we all know the truth. If I follow someone, sooner or later I'll be a copy of that person.

    Like someone one time said, if I had to choose a religion I would choose buddhism. It simply make things work in harmony, it reveals what everyone feel inside themselves.

    On your first question I had to say that people are afraid to be alone because they can't trust in existence, if there are not one (a father) to protect them, then life is not "secure".

    By the way, say to catholic that he is not a sun of God and see his expression. See what you kindled.

    It's based all on ego, ego is the source. After suferring they want to believe in some sort of hapiness, and feel they are special because everyone said they were not.

    (I was catholic and I believed in it with my whole soul. It was just part of my journey.)
     
  12. willedwill

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    Answer the question then. Do you count the money with your neighbor before the flood OR after the flood? Or was it: the bank does the actual counting forever? With the bank doing IT this is the elimination of the ideological factor.
     
  13. maluhia

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    But then are you mixing science with religion? :/
     
  14. lunarverse

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    Why can't the two be combined? In my opinion the truth requires both. Not religion, but spirituality and science (nature).

    We are organic beings by nature, but we are also spiritual beings. There is a natural world and there are spiritual worlds. The two meet and come together in all forms of life. They are not to be kept separated just because of some confusion regarding the origins of man and nature. I'm not concerned with fantasy or the church's version of where I come from. It isn't all that compatible with nature and science and so I don't give it any credence. Just as well if one puts a bit of time and thought into certain religious texts, it isn't hard to see the metaphorical aspects of a lot of it, which then reveals the message. Only fundamentalists can deny science.

    Science is only not to be mixed with spirituality if someone is foolish enough to deny the reality of things and cut themselves off from the findings of science. The facts that contradict their religious beliefs. The equivalent of a child putting its fingers in both ears while repeating, "I can't hear you, I can't hear you!"
     

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