Pornstars should use condoms

I believe that HIV is real but that it is an old disease and not a new one as Gallo has fooled many into believing. And I believe that HIV is no more dangerous than a cold or flu virus. I do not believe it causes AIDS and I do not believe AIDS is real.

A lot of backlash against anyone that says something to the contrary. And how the hell is that science?

Science shares many things in common with criminal law. That being it is supposed to be about facts and the burden of proof is supposed to be on the party making the allegations. And the person or thing being accused only has to prove reasonable doubt for the entire arguement to fall apart.

The current dichotomy of AIDS asserts that there is is deadly "syndrom" that is created by a mutating HIV retro virus. That this virus is unique because it defies all current scientific orthodox on the subject of viruses.

Fair enough.

But when anyone tries to debate or question the currently held beliefs and why they appear to defy the current orthodoxy; they are mocked and marginalized as being nuts or murderers. Even scientists that have won the nobel prize are called "crazy." I would like to know how that qualifies as science?

When you can NOT question or debate the validity of any subject. You're not dealing with facts or rationality. You're dealing with either propoganda or some sort of fanatism based manipulations.

 

^^ There are also very educated people who say that the Holocaust, and the Moon Landing didn't exist.

But back on topic. I've seen a couple of documentaries that said the porn industry requires testing every either 3 or 6 months (I don't recall exactly which) (See Porn Star The Legend of Ron Jeremy). Also certain major porn companies like Vivid (owned by Touchstone Pictures) require their actors to use protection unless they are a couple off set and insist that the "money shot" not be swallowed.

For the most part the AIDS scares in infections in the adult film world have occurred outside the United States. The big one I remember about 6 years ago happened because a film was shot in Brazil and the actress paid a doctor for a false negative test. John Stagliano aka. Buttman was also infected in Brazil by a transexual.

OK enough useless info.

Stay Brown,
Rev J

 

Thats not really true. "Science" is more about finding the best possible explanation given the circumstances. So people get HIV and maybe eventually their immune system starts to go etc etc and people with scientific educations have decided to call whatever happens AIDS. No one purports to know the full deal about it, just like cancer, just like HPV. Its just a guess made by people, who judging by your attitudes about condoms, are better educated and more capable of coming to reasonable conclusions than yourself.

 

no condoms ever

 

I wanna meet someone in Germany who thinks the Holocaust never happened...

 

None of which are actual scientists or doctors working in the same or similar field of research. If an astronaut said there was no lunar landing, I would be willing to listen. Even if he was a Chineese astronaut and never part of the american program.


Whereas in the situation of HIV=AIDS,
There are professionals like Peter Duesberg, Kerry Mullis and Rebecca Culshaw. All of whom are engaged in similar fields. In the case of Kerry Mullis he won the Nobel Prize for his work on the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) technique. A test for HIV was developed using his PCR/DNA method and has been called the most accurate test for HIV currently available.

So let me make this clear,
There is a big difference between being educated and talking about the things you know amongst professional peers. And being educated and discussing hoey about stuff you never studied.

I myself once told a female doctor not to try an argue the implications of Roe vs. Wade and in exchange I wouldn't try and argue how she should do her job.

I'm not claiming to be an expert or a scientist studying AIDS. But I've spent many years listening to arguments and digging for facts. (As all good lawyers should be doing.) The single largest part of the entire AIDS controversy that pushes me to believe the denialists. Is the ridiculing and lack of tolerance toward any questioning on the subject.

In my years of experience I used to say that I knew a cop was dirty when the police station would mock and ridicule anyone that tried to question them. For me, the way men like Gallo treat those that question his work is similar. And that just makes me want to dig even deeper for the facts.

I know attorney Jeffery Douglas of the Free Speech Coalition. Adult Industry Medical (AIM) is now defunct. Porn actors working in the Sanfrando valley were getting tested every 30 days at AIM using the PCR/DNA test. AIM is currently filling for bankruptcy and is facing several law suits for breach of confidentiality.

As for Vivid,
They are not owned by "Touchstone Pictures." Vivid LLC is owned by Steven Hirsch, Bill Asher, and David James.

Mr. Reverand JC, with respect;
You appear to be a very educated and thoughtful gentleman and I appreciate your commentary. But I feel it necessary to point out some of the areas you're lacking in understanding.

 

Don't confuse philisophical speculation or theory with actual science.

Science is about adhearence to the scientific method. The scientific method states that it does not try to prove but seeks to disprove. If just once instance can be shown where currently held criteria does not hold true. Then all the current criteria is considered to be false and futher investigation is needed.

I sincerly hope that I do not appear to be arrogant and with luck my typos will bring me down a notch. But the above information that I posted is available in any university introductory science based course. I've often wondered how governments and corporations can get away with manipulating the public in the ways they do. Sadly it is painfully obvious that there is a lot of ignorance in our society.

 

What a silly fucking thread of sillyness.

Save the children, wear rubbers on the big screen.

What the fuck?

Let's also outlaw recreational datura use, because having jimson weed legal sends a bad message to the kids.

 

Yeah, and let's make movies that have pubic hair so censored that you can't get them to play in most major movie theaters!! (Oh wait, they did do that)

 

The last I checked. Children were NOT allowed to see porn. Donc't get me wrong. I would prefer children watch sex than have them watch violence or play violent video games.

But on that note,
Modern porn isn't about people having sex. It's about someone being marginalize while having sex.

Yup they did do that and continue to do that.

You would be amazed at just how much the "wholesome conservative"people of this nation hate pubic hair. In 2002 I was part of an "inquiry" into a possible obscenity charge against a photographer in my area if he decided to publish his photos. They were all set to lynch the poor guy when he decided to re-shoot the photos but this time ask the model to shave off all her pubic hair.

Same model, same photo setups and same poses. Nothing changed except all the pubic hair was removed.

End result was the issue was dropped if he agreed to only publish the hairless photos.

So I've got a new saying. If a woman wants to really make the right-wing-idiots angry. She should let them know she has alot of pubic hair and refuse to shave it or trim it. Or better yet, she should go to a public beach wearing a bikini bottom with the little hairs that creep out from under.

As for me.
I'm an old guy with some hair on my back and a bit of a belly . I go to the beach wearing a speedo.

 

u think hiv is the same as the flu??

 

I'd seriously like to know why my answer to this post got pulled ... free speech?

 

Voice of truth:

Go voice your opinion at an AIDS support group, and ask someone who is HIV positive to have sex with you to prove it. They'll probably oblige, though they may also report you to various authorities as having willingly contracted HIV. That way, if you decided you didn't believe it and infected a bunch of people you could be prosecuted.

 

This is exactly the kind've gibberish that stops any discussing of the subject.

He never said that it isn't a real condition.

You could have AIDS and still believe that it didn't just randomly mutate from HIV one day.

In other words; you proved this point of his perfectly:

 

I'm not a scientist or a doctor. But I do pride myself on being a man of thought and intelligence. To this effect, I don't like to form opinions on a subject or issue without doing a minimum of research first. So if you will please accept my following comments with a grain of salt. They are not intended to insult anyone.

Some examples of where I encounter problemd with the current AIDS dichotomy.

AIDS is a syndrome and not a disease.
In medicine and psychology, a syndrome is the association of several clinically recognizable features, signs (observed by a physician), symptoms (reported by the patient), phenomena or characteristics that often occur together.

Which now means that if someone is HIV positive. (Being HIV positive means that antibody that fought the HIV virus is present in the body.) And they have the symptoms of another disease. Then they are diagnosed with having AIDS. Whereas if there was no HIV antibody present in the patient, then they are only sick with that particular disease.

Since Thrush is a commonly associated with AIDS I'll use it to ilustrate the problem of the above "mathematics."

A patient walks into a doctor's office and noted as having Thrush.
But he is not HIV positive. Therefore he only has Thrush.

But the next patient comes in and he is HIV positive but also has been foud to have Thrush. So instead he is declared to no longer just be HIV positive but now has full blown AIDS.

Therefore :
HIV postive + Thrush = AIDS
HIV negative + Thrush = Thrush (No AIDS.)
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Test for an antibody and not a virus.

The medical community or researchers do not test for the presence of a virus. They test for the presence of an antibody commonly associated with HIV. The problem with this is that

1. In traditional orthodoxy, the presence of antibodies usually means that the patient has sucesfully fought of the virus.
2. Other viruses can provoke the creation of similar antibodies. Therefore someone might have been infected with something other than HIV but their body produced an almost indentical antibody.

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The drugs used to treate AIDS are known to be deadly.

The drug used to treat AIDS has been demonstrated to lower the immune system and provoke the same problems normally associated with AIDS.
AZT is a very strong drug chemotherapy that was born during Nixon's war on cancer. It was once declared too toxic to be used in the fight against cancer.

When a person is diagnosed with HIV they are immediately administered AZT and several other chemotherapy drugs. Since AIDS is a syndrome and not an actual virus in of itself. How does anyone know that it isn't the drugs that are making people sick?
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My problem is I think like a lawyer and the above situations don't resolve in a some sort of recognizable logic and the AIDS industry is woth billions each year. Therefore for me when questions don't resolve themselves in logic and there is alot of money involved. I'm inclined to believe that somone isn't being as upfront as the shoud be. Perhaps this is a personality flaw on my part.

So bring this back on topic and keep the moderator happy.
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The only reason there is a conversation about pornstars wearing condoms is because of the fear of AIDS. No one would otherwise care if it were not for the general panic about AIDS.

My opinion therefore is that I believe that everyone should be allowed to make their own decision concerning the issue of using or not using condoms and this includes pornstars in my opinion. Afterall, that's what living in a free society is about; the ability to make your own choices.





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At my age I'm not going to ask too many questions if a woman is offering to share my bed. The exit door to life is in plain view before me. So I might as well enjoy what's left of the party and leave my wallet with the doorman on the way out.

 

ignorance is bliss.

 

I disagree.

I wasn't about to prove him wrong, and neither are you (I presume-or you would have done it, right?) I'm not a scientist, a chemist, a biologist, an epidemiologist, or about anything else that would have the credentials to prove him wrong. But AIDS has been killing people for longer than I've been alive, and has a pretty clear correlation to HIV. Okay, maybe we have it all wrong and AIDS causes HIV, fuck if I know.... but I do know the two of them come together, and if you have one you'll have the other soon, unless steps are taken to prevent it. And whaddaya know, those steps do hold progression off, and if you stop the steps, progression continues. Sounds worse than the flu to me.

One way or the other, it's unfortinate that that first lowlife to fuck a gorilla and then a human is long dead of AIDS, because a lot of us would like to kill them.

As for the OP: fine, go find some pornstars and give them condoms. But if you're suggesting that this should be mandated through legislation, go FUCK yourself with a splintering 2x4.

 

he also believes HIV is similar to the common cold :banghead:

 

can we just talk about porn again

 

dude. i live in the porn capitol of the world. i hear/see about it everyday!!!