I have tried many times to smoke dmt, all without launch. The feelings of take off are very intimidating. I find myself that as soon as I feel the effects, I hesitate. In those moments I am scared shitless. I don't know (having just now smoked about 30 mg) if dmt is worth it for me.. It's almost as if the molecule is teasing me, I know what potential it has, but when I am under it's beginning effects I am immediately reminded of some fear, a response to something, i simply don't know. So, what advice would you guys have? Should I just give up, knowing that most likely if I did launch I'd be facing feelings of fear, in which case would most likely lead to a negative experience. Or should I keep trying? Am I not prepared? I am beginning to feel like there is something about dmt that deserves a lot of humility, respect, reverence, etc.. In other words, there is something God-like in this molecule. What more do I need to do then before I am ready? I am probably going to do pharmahuasca instead, since that would most likely be a bit more gentle on the come-up. Anyhow, just curious to hear what yall have to say. Peace and love friends.
Get a glass vapor genie; welcome to the promised land. If not; sit on the floor in the corner of a safe room. Bring your knees up to your chest, with elbows or arms on knees, feet spread, lean forward a bit, just before you smoke tighten your stomach muscles a little. Take long slow calm hits, hold it in, repeat, until you are no longer able to coordinate smoking. Set pipe down, look up, lean back. Open your mind, surrender completely with utter humility and love....
The journey there is more difficult than the destination. I get the same wave of terror when I smoke DMT but having experienced ego death on tryptamines I know the experience is nothing short of heaven. It is the transition between sober consciousness and DMT consciousness which is difficult, DMT consciousness itself is wonderful.
@ Ancient One, I'll try that and see how it goes next round. I've just been smoking it in bed, maybe bracing myself will help me get past the fear. And.. @ Mr. Writer, I get what you're saying, so I guess I just need to raise the bar and improve on my smoking technique so that the journey I embark on will not end short of the destination. I am certainly not giving up on this, there is too much to be lost in not doing it.. I'm just hoping next time I'll reach the destination and experience the full potential.
The first times I've done such a thing I was with people, but their presence felt wrong to me during the experiences. I know that I will be fine, I know there is nothing wrong, but that doesnt seem to help. I am very well educated on these things, but still the fear is there. Maybe there is something I need to work through before I proceed.
I was referring to dmt in that specific post. On other psychedelics there is usually no problem being around people, just not sober/unfamiliar people. Though I have a tendency to want to run away while on such things... But that's just me, always coming and goin. I can safely say that having a place to take "refuge" from all the stimulus and peering eyes is extremely important as far as setting goes.
The fear and the transition with DMT (if you have NOT taken in a massive dose in under one minute you must deal with a one to two minute transition) are incredibly challenging. I used to think A LOT of mystical things about DMT. I've been doing some very personally difficult meditations these past six months or so. I've come much more back down to Earth. I have come to the following conclusion and some do share it with me: DMT is the ULTIMATE REFLECTION It is the ultimate mirror. It is the ultimate US. It is God, the Universe & Everything. It is nothing but a very simple indole molecule. DMT forces me to face and deal with my fears. I'm on an abstention break from smoked doses right now - my head is full of deep, dark, fearful places (Just like any human being's), and being whacked upside the head with a 2X4 of insight doesn't feel right at this time, LOL. Anyway, here's some real-world advice on how to deal with this issue - three good options based on some very real experience: 1.) Get a Glass Vaporgenie. Smoke 35-45 mgs in that GVG in under 1 minute. Do this by pre-charging the pipe. Heat up the ceramic element and draw in slowly until you see the tube fill with vapor. Stop. Take another quick breath, exhale completely, heat ceramic and draw in a HUGE slow hit. YOu will take in the ENTIRE dose in that one single hit. Make sure you are somewhere where if/when you drop the pipe, it falls onto something soft/safe. You WILL launch. YOu WILL breakthrough. If all goes well, you'll be too astonished to be scared. 2.) Continue working with smaller doses, using any smoking tek you desire. Work on perfecting your set and setting. Ritualize your dosing procedures. Meditate heavily - really clear your mind before beginning your ritual. Work on cultivating the following skillset: relax, let go, surrender. Just let it ALL go. ALL of it. Your desire to understand, your desire to hold on to your life, your desire to perceive your breath. Trust in something higher. I trust in DMT - it is an endogenous neurotransmitter that my body and mind know what to do with and that is safe, but it is a higher power to me because it will always be stronger than me. 3.) Take a serious DMT abstension break. Do more preparation. Meditate. Take other very deep and heavy psychedelic journeys - for example try 5-7 grams of mushrooms. Take serious time in your waking and sober life to really think about and work on your STUFF, including your fears, including your deepest fears (mine are death of loved ones followed by death of self). Cultivate appropriate acceptance and surrender skills in your everyday life. Learn when to speak up and resist and when to comply and hand over the wallet. Understand that DMT will ALWAYS be STRONGER than you. You MUST submit. You MUST surrender. Not only is resistance futile, it is tortuous. Hope this helps. Whether it does or not, hope you'll keep us updated.
Thanks a lot Spicey Cat, and to all you guys. The advice is A+, and you've restored my confidence in further attempts. I was thinking about taking a whole dose in one breathe, but shyed away last minute for some reason, maybe I was scared. But either way, it will be a while before I can attempt again, in the meantime I'll take your advice and work through my issues, in sobriety and in the wonderful experiences I have planned for myself.
By saying that the molecule is winning, you seem to imply that you're fighting it. In which case, you need to re-think your whole approach to psychedelics, because they, especially DMT, will throw your ass out of the ring.
I am interested to hear you adopt this philosophy in the first two sentences. Possibly you can clarify because I feel those first two sentences don't necessarily sync up or correlate with that third sentence. I've done a fair amount of DMT and I don't really get the mirror or reflective feeling from DMT at all besides perhaps post trip. I've heard this notion espoused by Writer who I believe has not had a breakthrough trip yet and Life Subliminal Dream who smoked a ton in a short period of time, I know you have before as well. So perhaps more frequent use of DMT would make me feel different but I feel DMT to be very very alien and little to do with any of my subconscious desires, triumphs, failures, etc. That being said you make reference to us and I have seen images and archetypes that very well may tap into some sort of collective unconsious.
Ok. DMT is fun, end of story. If you want to get "more" out of it and take it super seriously you can, but you can also just use it recreationally, because it's A LOT OF FUN. I've seen people with no psychedelic experience whatsoever blast off on a heavy dose and spend 10 minutes laughing hysterically. It can be intense but so what? that part lasts like 5 minutes and it's AMAZING. I've smoked a ton and I still get a little nervous when sparking the pipe too, that never really goes away. Just make yourself take 3 nice hits and you will not regret it!
WHat I do is fill the glass pipe with a bowl on the end with more than enough DMT. I make it myself and still able to make 15 grams considering the amount of mimosa I have. So I just put in enough for 5-10 doses (I dont have a weighing scale either) and heat it with untill vapor starts to form. Next step is to totally clear your lungs and let someone hold a big fire beneath the bowl and start inhaling fast. You will get more than enough DMT in your lungs and def. breakthrough. I know that I will waste alot of DMT by burning it or vaporizing and flow into the air, but I found this the only way to breakthrough at this moment.
to each his own, but yes the experience is very personal to me and I do believe that its like looking DEEP into a mirror. Spicey cat actually introduced me to this concept.
