Catholic/Christian trippers

I think its very common after tripping a few times to come to the realization that there is no absolute truth. The belief in the divinity of Christ might be a casuality of that discovery. Maybe not.

You should just trip. If you're holding back strictly because you are afraid your beliefs will fall to the wayside, they might need to be examined anyways.

 

It is very difficult to understand what we are talking about if you never expirienced psychedelics. But let me try to explain to you like this.

Every, but I realy mean every religion in the world is essentialy pointing to the same thing - love. Different religions used different methafores to try to lead you to feel that love and to make you do all things from love, they also use different rules to make you eigther be afraid of devil or to be afraid of sins so you can start walking on that path of love.

What psychedelics do, they make you feel that pure love first hand, unconditionaly, just to be part of that love itself, to be god itself, to be one with everything existing, in this dimension and others that you still don't know existing. They let you be ethernal for a moment, as time does not mean anything there, they let you feel fully with sences you are not aware you posses that you are energy that can not be destroyed, that we are all part of that same energy, that we are all one, that you can not die, that only your body or avatar can die, but you are ethernal, you are love itself. I am not going to confuse you more with methafores, you need to feel this to understand what I am talking about.

But, let me sumarize all this. If you feel and become part of what every religion in the world is pointing to, then you lose need for religion as you are already on the source of creation of religions. Thats why somebody is telling you that your fate might be stronger, and some say that psychedelics will shatter your believes. And they are both right, your fate will be stronger as you will fully believe in what your religion of choice is pointing to, and yes your believes will be shattered as you will understand that certain things that churches are teaching you and scaring you with are completely pointless.

I hope this make more sence to you, but again, I am 100% sure, you can only fully understand this after having spiritual expirience on psychedelics.

Peace and Love!!!

 

What shifter said^

Many times on acid I've felt that religions were basically the cultural adornments put together over time to try to communicate the incommunicable, i.e. existing as love itself in a state where there is no divided existence of anything. In fact before my first trip I was rather cynical about religion but thru the experience felt like there was something I'd missed about them that was buried under the layers of traditions, rituals and trappings. the prevailing feeling was indiscriminate mercy or grace that christians are always going on about. I didn't all the sudden recognize a savior figure but I was exposed to the feeling that it seemed to represent.

I was raised Mormon, and while I had already renounced belief in it pre-acid, there was an epiphany on a high-dose trip that was visual. It was a series of rectangular cubes, like columns. White in appearance, maybe seven or so of them, very monolithic, solid, sharp edges, and they stood in what appeared to be a dark room with nothing else in it. In the visual I realized the appearance of white was actually due to a beam of light half behind me/half inside me. I felt that this light could be switched off as easily as a wall switch, so I did.

Immediately I saw that the blocky columns ceased to appear as if they were standing on their own. Very complex support structures behind and underneath them were exposed. They had a "personality" as if they were skillfully-placed man made mechanisms that had been reworked and retested over time to adapt to the requirements that the blocky columns had to remain standing. It was all very personal; basically subtle but unmistakable references to the social system of my upbringing and ancestry. I had outgrown any use for Mormonism before then, but this vision kind of eviscerated any lingering concepts about it, as well as a deeper deconditioning I didn't even know was possible or needed.

After that trip I decided to really dig in to the roots of my religious history, which fortunately was quite easy since Mormonism is a young and well-documented religion. Suffice it to say my conceptual mind was blown by what I studied and my reactions ranged from humor to sadness to fascination. It not only properly juxtaposed my family's tribal identification in the world but gave me the information and confidence to manage the hellish backlash one typically encounters from family by openly renouncing their Mormonism.

I'm going long now. Sorry, rich subject. I can definitely say acid opened my mind to the divinity that was underlying religious traditions, and I'm still intensely interested in religious subjects as a way to understand different culture's attempts to codify what they genuinely transcend to, to try to reconcile love and orthodoxy.

So you might question Jesus for the same reasons you might more fully embrace the religious offerings of different cultures. Or you might understand Jesus differently or less literally. I personally enjoy some Christian thought where I didn't before, such as: "why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin. And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these," as a commentary on inner beauty or states of bliss and contentment that transcend material need.

Or the one where his disciples didn't want little kids to bother the Messiah but he said "suffer the children to come to me for of such is the kingdom of heaven," indicating the lessons to be learned from kids and their world view. I think many who've been on psychs can identify with that.

 

Christ IMO is a role model, a teacher. A son of God, as we all are - I would go further and say that we are all a tiny part of God, as is every living being, our planet, solar system, galaxy, universe etc are all divine, we are all part of God :sunny: I don't like to refer to God as 'our father' 'lord' etc, as I think that underplays Gods true nature. As said before, all religions are driving at the same thing, shame it causes so much hatred and conflict - another reason I don't like to be involved in organised religion.

Generally speaking the 'scrambling' is short term... And totally reversable. Unless you abuse these substances... Then... You reap what you sow.

 

I'm an Roman Catholic and I love to trip. I believe things such as LSD and mushrooms can help us to attain levels of spiritual experience that are generally reserved for saints - a la Aldous Huxley in The Doors of Perception.

 

Jullian Huxley existed existence of disorder ordering to evolved disorder. Which hospital is for pot luck. Pot luck becomes the unvaluing stress for survival.

 

What does this mean?!

 

Maybe? I was standing up in the crowd at my first show in Philly and kinda felt my arms stretch out like I was being crucified. Sacrificed for all the people. During Morning Dew or Wharf Rat. It was like the Deadhead spirit came into me. Crazy trippin.

 

i'm a christian tripper....but that's a contradiction....the witches and sorceror's in the bible brewed up their "potions" and it was considered demonic practic.....the greek word for pharm comes from pharmakea, meaning witchcraft, or sorcery

 

Why organized religion and the truth don't mix.

The truth is singular, there is one truth, for everything in the universe, there is one truth. Just like in science, it is universal, biology works the same way in america as it does in africa or europe, the truth is for everyone. Not only that, but our whole system is one, one whole organic unity, everything interconnected, nothing seperate.

As soon as you pertain to religion, you have already cut yourself off from this connectedness. You have choose now, you say are Christian, which means you are not a Hindu or Mohammaden. You have separated yourself, put yourself in a sect. You say Jesus Christ is my god. Now you have limited it, God is all around, and you try to limit it to one man who died 2000 years ago. God is all around you, completely alive, all around in the swaying trees, the singing birds, the blue sky, but you go worshiping a dead concept.

You believe, and that is the other wrong in religion. As soon as you go to a religion, they tell you must believe in something. Whatever gods they created they want you to believe in them. Truth is not to be believed, in fact belief will hinder truth, belief will block truth. Truth will be there, and you beliefs will be like a veil, just covering over the truth.

Truth needs an openness, no belief at all, just a certain receptivity from you and can experience truth. Truth is there, no need to believe, it is tangible, you can experience yourself.

Truth is for those who have courage, it takes courage to dive into the unknown, to seek the unchartered depths of your self. Religion takes no courage, all the answers are given to you, you are just to believe. You are to just come to church and be nice, and Jesus will take you away to heaven. The truth is rebellion from society, a renounce of normal mundane life in order to seek a higher existence. And religion is basically a social thing, just equal to this mundane life, and church is even more mundane then most things.

All religion try to scare you, do good and you will go to heaven, to bad and you will go to hell. They give their human characteristics to the truth, god is angry or god is love, obey him and he will love you, disobey and he will smite you down. Heaven and hell, these a part of your longings, your worldly desires and understanding. The truth is beyond heaven and hell, beyond pain and pleasure, beyond whatever it is you can conceptualize.

The truth is about an individual exploration. The rose blossoms into the rose, the tulip blossoms into the tulip. They rose does not say, no this is the only way, rose jesus will save us, and all you tulips will be in hell. Each individual has there journey, the truth will be the same, but the journey will be different. Religion trys to take away from our individuality, turn us all into silent monks.

As an individual, truth is there. Christ brought great truth, but when it became Christianity it died. Buddha brought great truth as well, but when it became Buddhism it died. Krishna brought great truth, but when it became Hinduism it died. All the religions were based on truth, and if you look deep enough you can find the core teachings, what truly matters in religions. But it has been piled with so much belief, so much wrong interpretations, the human ego has gotten in the way of all the shining light.

I can go on and on about the irony that church has made, about all its contradictories, its suppressions in society. Religion is made everything ugly, everything a sin, turned gold and metal into rust. The thing that is supposed to bring us closest to the truth is keeping us the farthest away from it.

Now here is where psychedelics come in. They will take away your beliefs. They will give you an experience in which you can derive actual truth about the inner workings of yourself. Certain barriers will be chemically removed and you will face your unfiltered self. You will experience different dimensions of consciousness which will force you to reinterpret your current reality. It will show you what its like to live without belief, without separateness, and how to be in tune with the larger reality of life, and give you a sense of your own divinity, your own godliness, inherent in all of nature. You will see the light.

 

Me and a girlfriend walked into this huge gothic catholic church one evening tripping it was really awesome experience. When I walked in I could hear the nuns singing from the podium above me with candles lit and incense all around. I walked to the alter and there was a bible I can't recall what I read but I fell to my knees crying. I looked up and saw this vortex type energy going from the top of the church down to were i sat and the stained glass windows above gave off colored prisms of light. A priest saw me and asked if i was ok, I just nodded. I thought he would get mad or something but he just smiled and walked off. :angel:

 

my freind is a christian and he said that one time as a result of a trip he thought he was a manifestation of jesus for about a week

 

total tangent, im an athiest, but ive been saying for a long time that id love to walk through an old cathedral trippin like notre dame or something. the artwork that goes into those buildings plus all of the mythology (be it true or not) that surrounds it all. could be quite lifechanging haha

 

i am no religions and all religions are me )) christianity is a perfect symbol for reality and how i flow.... there is purity in everything dliuted because something can only be diluted from a thing which is pure
every poster on this forum says the same thing in every post and every thread. because all are me, and every one wants to say what I say. and here I am saying it. hallelujah!!