Best psychedelic to "turn someone on"?

Sorry ment 4-ho-met and dpt not 4-ho-dpt even tho that would be cool to only one vendor I know of has that tho and 2c-t7 mabie at 15mg-20mg

 

^^^again though, good in general (DPT and 4-ho-met) or good starter chems? cuz i can't imagine how you think DPT is good for noobs

 

After snorting dpt a couple weeks ago I think it would be mean to give that to someone as a first. Granted I didnt get any effects but instead a sore throat and fucked up sinuses for a week. That shit was like snorting wasps.

 

What about a semi-light dose of 2c-e? Say, roughly 12-15mg?

 

12 mg 2ce was my first RC ever. i don't think i would have had a problem if it was my first trip ever, but make sure the people know about what they're taking and that it may make them nauseous

 

Cool, cool.
My first drug experience ever, besides alcohol, was salvia 20x.

 

for me it was weed>mdma>amphet>lsd>cocaine at the age of 16 (well weed was when i was 14 but the other 4 came when i was 16)

 

Mushrooms was actually the first drug I ever tried including alcohol and tobacco. I was 13 at the time. I didn't do anything more than weed, alcohol, tobacco, opiates and mushrooms until I was 18. I tried ecstasy, lsd, benzos, cocaine, crystal meth, ect in rapid succession, all within a year. lol Now that I think about it, I partied my ass off from 18-22.

 

Lsd or mushrooms

 

I know what u mean but I was thinking a low oral dose or small smoked dose as a tester to see if they like the feeling and don't jade to spend 6 hours or more on it if they don't even dmt mabie at 10mg not over wellming IMO it feels like the peak of a 2g-3g dose of mush

 

I had an undesirable experience with giving DMT to a friend for his first psychedelic. It was only 10-15mg and I'm pretty sure he didn't even take a good hit, but he got threshold effects. He told me the next few days he had a very weird feeling he couldn't shake and it really pried into his subconscious in a way he wasn't ready for or could properly grasp. He said he doesn't want to try it ever again. Sometimes even small doses of such powerful materials can have a much more profound effect on your subconscious than you may realize (which could be a good or bad thing, depending how they handle it). After my experience, I wouldn't recommend DMT for a first timer with the risk of scaring them off psychedelics for good, but that's just my 2 bits.

 

I think it may have been the dreaded underdose at fault here though . . . DMT can be really scary at low doses, when you've got enough effect to seriously warp your mind but not enough effect to take you on the journey, so you're left in limbo, on planet earth, staring at your pipe, as powerful but unfinished forces pry into your mind.

 

Good ones to try out on a newbie:

2C-C
2C-D
2C-B
MDMA
LSD
4-HO-DiPT
4-HO-MiPT
4-HO-MET
4-HO-DET
4-AcO-MET
4-AcO-DET
5-MeO-MiPT
5-MeO-DiPT
aMT
mescaline
ketamine
MXE
DXM
(if he ain't ever even smoke out) hashish
methylone
psilocybin mushrooms

Any whichever thing you give him, even if you get curious and choose DMT or DPT or something overwhelmingly powerful like salvia, don't underdo it, give the guy a good solid dose. Lower doses leave you feeling half in this world, and half that, so you're conflicted as to what to even do or say or think. Medium doses just leave you wanting for more, but high doses wipe out ego well enough to wipe out anxiety too, they tend to carry many hallucinatory and sensorial distractions, overall a higher dose will be appreciated the most. Also make sure he's always got someone with him to talk him out of weird head games he starts playing with himself, have some benzos on hand if he gets nervous, and basically tend to his needs so that he can go where he naturally should go. Have his music and movies in cue for him, have good lights like Xmas lights and glowing star stickers on the ceiling. Have plenty of pillows and blankets all around, and be interactive on his level, whether there or not you're there and keep things positive.

 

Well said and again was just and idea I would go for 4-hos or 2cs

 

A light-moderate dose of shrooms or mescaline just to give them an idea of what it's like. You always want to be careful. My boyfriend got permafried for a whole year when he was 18 off 25 hits of acid and some deemsters.

 

I've only done shrooms, San Pedro and salvia leaves but would probably recommend a low-moderate dose of 2C-I or LSD based on my reading.

My first trip was with about 5 grams of shrooms. Intensely unpleasant at some points but not enough to permanently "turn me off". The nausea from mescaline cactus turned me off from mescaline forever though.

*I don't lump other drugs like entactogens, dissociatives or deliriants in with hallucinogens, btw.

 

Depending on how you choose to manage a situation like that, it wouldn't necessarily be bad. If he'd say, taken the attitude, "I don't know for how long, but I can trip every day 'til I come down! Whoopie!" Or, you panic and get hot and bothered by your situation that you are at the mercy of for the only meds that help those situations are benzos or barbs. I've been through something similar, I wouldn't want it to happen again, but once it has happened, you're altered, not the same (so I don't think it could happen again really, and if so, it'd just make my HPPD more interesting).

I don't think some heroic dose like 10ml liquid Lucy on a sugar cube would be wise, nor 100mg 4-AcO-DMT, 75mg 2C-E, nothing to extreme. But I stand by my notion that one of those sikes I recommended at a high dose would be best. They're all easy psychologically, in the right set and setting they'd be amazing, and he'd be guaranteed to experience some true psychedelia. The 2C-x's and the 4-HO's I suggested would be the best bets I think, 2C-C, 2C-D, 2C-B, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-HO-DET, and 4-HO-MET would all at high doses still be manageable and not terribly confusing or bewildering, and he'd get to see the full-on beauty of a complete psychedelic experience. I'd say 50mg of any one of those, of course some benzos on hand, electrolyte rich beverages, if you can get some, some Donnatal, Phenergan, Protonix, 1 tsp sodium bicarbonate in a cup of water plus three-four antacids, Pepto Bismol, Kaopectate, and/or Benadryl (what seemed to work best for a friend who felt nauseated was two Donnatal tablets, a swig of Kaopectate, and the sodium bicarb plus antacids, almost instantaeously). Ginger, whether fresh or candied or in some way containing real ginger if a product is good to have handy. As I mentioned before, music he'll groove to, a colorfully lit room (maybe candles if someone is responsible enough to care for them), pillows, blankets, and films he'd get something out of in a psychedelic state. Plenty of marijauna is a must for tripping, and fresh fruit is extremely gratifying while tripping. Art supplies would make for an interesting activity to play, some video games are fun to goof around with, for movies, claymation is always a winner (and some animation too), if you can aquire any, piracetam is a psychedelic's best friend. It's a drug that's a nootropic and it increases cognitive functioning as well a learning and memory capacity. Taken with psychedelics it enhances their effects. If you're not tripping indoors, find a secluded, unpatroled camp in the woods, deserts, or plains, before tripping set up a tent, build a fire, and basically do all that stuff with pillows, anti-GI issues, art, etc. out in the woods--and bring fun lights like a strobe, glow sticks, a black light, a laser pointer with cool fittings, or, take your lantern and paste a different color of mache paper on each slot of glass (get creative!). You'd certainly need a stereo or iPod dock and musique, musical instruments would be a good addition too. What I'm sort of saying is that the better his first encounter with sikes is, the more of a positive, lasting impression it'll have on him and thus he'll take more good away from it which will interest him more in the world of psychedelia

 

jeez, could you possibly use punctuation? i'm usually not a stickler for such things, but it took me a few minutes to try to figure out what you were trying to say

i know you haven't broken through with DMT yet, so do you get frightened on all your "underdoses?"

i've given "low" doses to everyone i've introduced to psychedelics and no one was stuck in limbo or left wanting more. i've had ZERO freak outs on my hands, though i've probably given out less drugs than most of you guys. i'm not trying to discredit or debunk what you're saying, i just don't think there is only one right was to do it. not everyone needs to jump in the deep end to learn how to swim.



"some Donnatal, Phenergan, Protonix, 1 tsp sodium bicarbonate in a cup of water plus three-four antacids, Pepto Bismol, Kaopectate, and/or Benadryl (what seemed to work best for a friend who felt nauseated was two Donnatal tablets, a swig of Kaopectate, and the sodium bicarb plus antacids, almost instantaeously)."

that's A LOT of shit to be putting into your body at once

 

I'd agree that that's a lot of anti-GI tract problem medication. I'm sure some Benadryl and sodium bicarbonate and ginger would do nicely. I was just listing off drugs that work well to combat nausea, not saying take all of these at once. My friend only took the four drugs he took because he was sincerely nauseated and it really did take that much to calm his gullet. He was fine after that, but I could see uncle Ralph possessing his body and making way to his haunt, the porcelain throne. The best possible medications to combat any form of stomach upset is two Donnatal and one Phenergan. That's not a lot of medicine, and they're extremely fast-acting, long-lasting, and vry effective.

I get your point that for some taking moderate doses the first time around might be more beneficial for some, but 4-HO-DET, 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, 2C-C, 2C-B, and 2C-D are all rather mild to begin with. I truly believe 50mg of any of them would be a great crash course, plus, none of them last longer than four to six hours, they all come on strong and fast, peak hits within the hour, and about five hours later you're significantly less buzzed and instead almost to baseline. I wouldn't call any of that jumping into the deep end to learn to swim, I'd call it a perfect night given the right set and setting. What could possibly go wrong and what's there to worry about if your external and internal conditions are aligned and you're safe, taken care of, and given enough razzmatazz to keep occupied with for an entire night?

I forgot to mention to the OP that you'd need one of those cigarette lighter electrical adaptors to make any electronics work, maybe just headphones, an iPod, and the paper mache decorated lanterns, perhaps a laser pointer, glow sticks, and your campfire would be enough light to bedazzle your buddy :2thumbsup:

 

^ I agree with your choices for first time chems, and would lean towards the 2c's specifically rather than the 4-ho's for the very very first time, as the latter are definitely more intense, but still awesome and enjoyable.

That is quite a lot of GI stuff going on there . . . donnatal is made from datura, its no joke. all you need is a ginger ale and a joint, and if that doesn't work, pop 1 or 2 gravols, no need for the big guns unless you have preexisting medical condition

pork: even the most pleasant and beautiful low doses of DMT i've done have had this almost ominous tone to them, like "be careful what you toy with mortal". its just too fuckin intense, even in low doses lol. i like my tryptamine comeups to be at LEAST 20 minutes please