Ron Paul 2012!..?

I'd vote for Ron Paul in a heartbeat. He's a little weird but he's the only republican I'd vote for. If he doesn't run I'm voting for Obama lol.

 

If that's true, then Ron Paul has no need to become president. He can just lodge a constitutional challenge in the Supreme Court to all those laws which are unconstitutional and have them repealed. Problem solved.

 

Hahaha. There is a difference between caring, and supporting. If you see a bum on the street, you give him a couple bucks to help him on his way. You don't write him a check for a few hundred dollars and give him a back massage. I'm simply saying that in supporting people who cannot possibly give anything back (Foreign, domestic, sick, disabled), we have created this black hole of debt and this paradox of sympathy. The mathematics of our tax system simply do not work.

It's done nothing good for the generation who must take care of the debt. I admit, I believe in socialized medicine, and I frown that we haven't done it yet. If people need the help and cant get it, I see nothing wrong with giving them what they need...but there are leeches. I got no problem with helping our own people, but if we cant afford foreign aid...we cant afford it and need to focus on our own people first.

Just because Ron Paul would get rid of the existing Social Security system, doesn't mean there wont be some form of assistance or welfare. The left wing simply wont allow it and the 'new age' republicans wouldn't either. Ron Paul is a blunt instrument with two existing parties to soften the blow. I have a feeling it would work quite well.

 

Oh I see what you did there.

 

Amazing then, that countries with much less debt than the US have managed to support them more than the US, isn't it?

 

Only sarcastically.

 

I guess the mathematics must be different there.

I find it funny how some people picture welfare recipients. I imagine them with their furrowed brows picturing unemployed youths in smart clothes laughing driving ferraris bought with their $200 a week, money raining from the sky all around them while quietly chuckling to themselves with their cleverness in ripping off the taxpayer when they could be earning five times as much on minimum wage. These damn youths, taking all our money and skating on the sidewalk.

 

Ron Paul is by far the worst President I could imagine. I'd take trump over him.

He's a socially conservative economic libertarian.

He's anti abortion. He's anti stem cell research. He wants to end the income tax, against civil rights act, voted for banning gay adoptions, he wants the destruction of public education, wants creationism taught in schools, against carbon taxes, voted no on incentivising investments on alternative fuels, against North American highways and Amtrak funding, anti-immigration, including incentives to entice foreign scientists, doctors and engineers to work in the States, no minimum wage....

He wants to hire pirates to capture and kill terrorists; He actually supports Letters of Marque.

I could keep going on this nut all day. I'm glad he has no chance.

 

i can never figure out if people who say things like this have never worked a regular job in their lives or are just plain stupid

 

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You know you can't receive any social security benefits until you're 62 right? And not full benefits til 67?

 

Well, unless you are disabled.


The two things that make me wary about Ron Paul is his feelings on Social Security and the Fed.

As far as Social Security goes: my dad was on Social Security when he died, couldn't work due to diabetes. I was raised the second half of my adolescence by a single mother with quite a bit of supplement from Social Security.
Not to mention, I would like to retire sometime in my life.

As far as the Fed goes: just how would he plan to replace it; how would we go back to the gold standard?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_VJ5fI_XCA"]YouTube - Ron Paul: Both Parties Have Driven America into Bankruptcy

He's a bit less savage than people are making him out to be. He IS against abortion...understandable if you put yourself in the shoes of a man who has delivered 4000 babies as a doctor. Wouldn't throw the dependents out on the street, he just sees that it will fail under its current legislation. He want's to leave gay marriage to churches and state law, this would mean people would have to make a pilgrimage to where they are allowed to be married, but I don't think thats TOO terrible.

All the people referring to him as nuts is kind of cruel, he just understands what has brought us to our current situation and is offering a quick, effective solution. Which I find more promising than others who seem to want more of what is making things worse.

 

Not really. Doctors also see pregnancy complications.
The part you're missing about the abortion is that he believes that it should not be a federal issue, but that the states should be able to choose. (Like the gay marriage.)
Just to help you on future arguments, or something =P

It's really not. He put himself into a public position to be scrutinized.

 

So any idiot who takes an anti-war stand has your vote. Do you know Ron Pau's position on abortion? Same as the religious right. How Libertarian is that? I heard him being interviewed on Social Security. He says its unconstitutional because the Constitution doesn't say anything about it. But what about the "necessary and proper" clause and the power to tax and spend for the general welfare? No, it has to be explicit. In other words, the entire constitutional development of this country since McCulloch v. Maryland is unconstitutional. He wants to go back to 1819. He should wear a powdered whig. And it was my understanding that the Arab League asked us to get into Libya, and that Kaddafi was talking about a house-to-house cleansing of his opposition: every man woman and child. Would that be good? Should we stand by and let that happen? Waddya think?

 

Should we stand by and let that happen? Yes. My rationale for that, is that we cannot afford to intervene anymore. Mass killings and horrible crimes of dictatorship are a factor of life in this world, if we don't turn our heads and get our shit together, we never will because there is no 'pause for insufficient funds' button. The war is and has been draining us, and needs to stop somewhere. Why not here? At least while we don't have a Hitler on our hands.

Not only is his personal opinion on abortion irrelevant, he plans to leave things like that to state government. Even if he gains presidency and gets the federal government to enforce laws on a pro-life pretense, then the people can protest this decision and gain the freedom to abort again. Roe v Wade was a very touchy subject and I don't think too many people want it changed, this will be reflected in the people's response to federal enforcement of pro-life ideals.

Social security is a mandatory charity. This way of government has turned society into a country of people simply trying to set up its future generation, helping its children and giving them a head start. Donald Trump is a prime example of what comes of that. An over exaggerated feeling of self importance and arrogance. That's the problem with a head start, almost no one is getting an even shot.

What Ron Paul wants to do, will turn us back into a country that cares for its elderly and ill-advantaged by default and not by legislation and mandatory robbery. Quite frankly I trust my family to take care of me way more than a bureaucratic program that can have its 'funding' cut in certain places when the country is in a tight spot. That's my SECURITY your talking about, not a 'budget cut'.

Don't you think that there is a chance we went down the wrong road? That the path of laws, expansion of government and bi-partisanship have maybe been doing more harm than good?