If you believe in Astrology -

My point in all of this is that you are more than just one Sign - Pisces. Our Rising Sign is the "Self" part of us and it is Subjective to others. This Self part of us is responsive to life so it will play a huge role in how the rest of us develops. If we have one of the Sensitive Signs for our Rising (especially the two Reactive Signs - Taurus and Cancer) then we will more than likely be shy and have difficulties with our dealings with others. Conversely when we have Capricorn or Pisces Rising we will still have some Sensitivity to others as we are growing up but Intellectually that part of us will be able to reason its way through most of the Garbage it had to experience.

Of the 2 Luminaries it is apparent to me that if we have Earth or Water Signs in the 2 Luminaries then we will be more cautious and caring of others then if we had the more Self-seeking, Active, energetic Fire and Air Signs. That goes for any of the 3 areas or 3 Guides as I call them.

Our lives are a product of the responses we have to our environment, based on the Traits we are born.

 

Are you a politician, Our3Minds?

 

This is something I have found to be true. My mother is a believer and talked about astrology as long as I can remember, so it became ingrained.

I think the majority of kids are a lot more strong-willed than I ever was as a child, which brings me to my next point...

This is a really interesting assertion, but one I can see no evidence for in my own life. Before about the age of 10, I barely spoke. I was living in a dreamworld. All I did was doodle and sit alone, thinking. The vast majority of under 10s are not like this (I've worked with enough of them). Can you possibly explain this, from knowing my "signs"? From my knowledge, aquarius was nowhere to be seen. Nothing much was anywhere to be seen, except a confused and rather lonely little person.

It has been proven that environmental factors play a massive part in a child's development, regardless of when they were born. I think it's more likely that the explanation for my state in childhood lies with a genetic tendency for dreaminess, lethargy and depression (which I still battle with. My mother clearly has the same affliction) and my experiences of abuse, a messy divorce between parents, and growing up fatherless, poor and with no stable home. This seems far more likely than it being due to the powers of 17th February at 9.15am.

 

NO. I just have a passion for what I believe in. When I started with Astrology My Aqaurian Sun Sign lapped it up. But the charts I had done could never explain how I got to that point in my life and I (Aquarius) knew something was missing in how we look at ourselves. It became my life's mission to find out why I had developed into the type of person I was. That's it.

Of course "life" got in the way of any real progress, it was always put on the back burner, always a hobby.

Now that I have the Full power of Aquarius, and more opportunity, it is here full steam. I wrote a book (not published), I have a web site - our3minds.com, and there is these forums to try and help people see a different way of looking at themselves - isn't that the Aquarian (or American) way.

 

15 Deg Aries Rising, Aquarius, 27 Deg Moon and 28 Deg Sun.

This is exactly why I believe in Sign Cusps. Your chart says Moon and Sun in Aquarius (I didn't have a location so they could be off), But what mainly ran your life was Pisces ("living in a dreamworld").

Even if you had a different mother (not similar, no Astrology lessons), you would still have been a dreamy youngster, maybe not as much. If you would have had athletic parents, your Aries could of been indoctrinated into sports and such. But you still would have had the limiting affect of the Water Sign. If your "path" could of been different possibly your childhood could of been better.

I believe when we have Earth and Water Signs in us they can have a dampening affect on our development - because they React more to the world around us. You had a Fiery Aries, that should of been more Active but possibly it was getting it's attention and acceptance from the lessons of the Watery world your mother created. Aries just wants to be loved, foremost, but it is also Sensitive to how others are treating it and it will flee from those that don't "play" the same. Maybe in your Mind you couldn't be free enough to interact with the other kids and Aries felt it was its fault so why bother. Once Aries gave up then you were left with your dreamy existence.

I do have Pisces in my Venus and Mars, which drives me to Enjoy the occults, so I kind of understand how Pisces works now but it wasn't my main problems Signs when I was a child - Taurus/Aries, Gemini/Taurus Moon, Aquarius/Capricorn Sun are my Signs. I have Air and Earth in me so I don't fully understand the absorption the Water Signs go through with others. If you look at my Sun Signs, Aqu/Cap, I should of been able to float through life on an intellectual high, driving myself to figure out everything I laid my eyes on. But, I have two Sensitive Signs, Taurus/Aries in my "Self" side of me. They and their reaction to others dictated my maturing process, what I was able to develop. Factors in childhood started me on a insecure, reserved path that took me decades to rise out of, only because of help from my Intellectuals. It took decades to convince my "selves" that all people weren't so bad. These paths we get on can perpetuate many more problems and bad paths that we will go on - alcohol, drugs, struggles with others, divorce, bad jobs, you name it - our childhood sets us up for our future. I don't think any chart can predict those kinds of events and that is why I just use the 2 Luminaries and our Rising Sign. They are had enough to understand.

I'd like to see someone here on this forum take my vitals and explain to me why I ended up the way I did in life. 1/24/53, Minneapolis, MN. I know in my heart that if one thing may have happened different, I wouldn't have gone through the hell I experienced - or was it my destiny?

How about You? You are still in the midst of you Pisces influence. What are you doing to make peace with life? Working with kids sounds like a great way to go. You can care very deeply about their Souls.

 

Thanks for the interesting response. From what I remember, the degrees you have given are correct.

The problem is of course that not every astrology advocate believes in "cusps" having an effect. The other problem is that doing so doubles your chances of being coincidentally right even if astrology is nonsense. So dreaminess doesn't generally fit a heavy "aquarian influence". But it does a pisces, and I'm near to pisces! I suppose the same could work if I was placed on the edge of gemini. Cancer is a water sign, afterall, with gentleness and a soft emotional side attributed to it. Where does the cusp rule begin and end? How close do you have to be to it to have the sign next door's supposedly fitting traits attributed to you? As you can tell, I have grown incredibly skeptical of the whole thing, for reasons beyond details such as these. Still, they're still a point of interest. What is given to a child as truth often takes a lot of shaking. You just have to look to religion to see that!

As for my personal journey, yes, whether influenced by a planet billions of km away or not, I still battle with a few mental blocks. I'm at an age I feel is pivotal at the moment. My reason and common sense is taking control of matters and moving me towards being an incredibly well-functioning and even practical person, finally, which is a real relief after years of just living inside my own head. What helps is seeing things for what they are, working, socialising and avoiding harmful escapism or laziness. I'm becoming more logical and clear-thinking, more disciplined (this one is tough) and more satisfied as a result.

I'm also starting to see the power of genetics as I deal with issues my mother knew before I was born and see the influence of parents on others.

When it comes to you, I'm afraid as someone who no longer believes in astrology, I can't provide any insight into your own life and personality. I can just say that I know how insecurity and doubt over a period of years can feel, and I'm glad you've emerged from that.

Thanks again for the talk. It's both strange and rather nice to talk about something I believed in for so long and is now a funny curiosity that I think will always have a place in my mind.

 

This obviously is new territory and much needs to be found out but I suspect about 10 degrees, it seems to still give us some of the traits from the neighboring Sign. The closer you are the stronger will be the traits. The Signs that are from 11 to 19 degrees are fairly pure in their traits but you have to look at how all 3 of these "Guides", as I call them, will affect the growth of the individual. The Signs we have for our 3 Guides will affect each other and of course the environment will affect, as I stated before, the choices we all make, because of the nature of the Signs we have.

I just think this is an easier way to look at ourselves and others, to get a feel for who we are and why we have responded to life the way we have. Especially when we just look at the Energy and Behavior the Signs give us. That is a simply way to learn the Signs and one has to wonder why they were labeled that in the first place - because the labels give you insight into each of the Signs without knowing tons about them.

As far as Cancer is concerned it is one of the Sensitive Signs, with different ways to "absorb" (view) its environment. But yes perhaps as shy and into protecting itself, withdrawn from the main stream as Pisces is.

You said you don't see the Aquarius in you but maybe its just not as prominent as Pisces. How unconventional are you in your thinking? How often do you do something opposite of everyone else? Aquarius here's the beat of a different drum than the rest of the pack so we naturally are drawn to what is different. "Let the rest of the sheep do what they are doing, I'm just going to do things my way."

Thanks for hearing me out. Its good to just get this stuff out of my head. Aquarius knows mankind needs this stuff so my desire is for the masses to really see we are more than just our Sun Signs but in order to learn our personality we don't have to learn all the in-depth aspects that come from Astrology.

 

One thing I have noticed with families is that our parents pass down many of the same Signs they have. A daughter usually gets more of dad's and a son more of mom's - its not always the case, especially after the first two children are born, it starts to get blurry after that but they still will have some similar Signs. If not the same Signs at least the same Elements. That's one area I'd like to do a study on.

I'd also like to go to a large setting, like a college campus and do a blind study to see how much our 3 Guides have influenced the choices we have made up until that point in our lives. I think it would be very telling to have such a work done, to maybe prove that we are not just born with a blank slate but that we are given a foundation of traits from which we will develop from.

Maybe for you it is hard to really see yourself, your personality, but from what I see in many other people, their 3 Guides do show up in the majority of the Behaviors and Energy they exhibit. Knowing their 3 Guides does answer a lot of questions about their character.

 

I am unique and have a taste for the obscure, critical (always questioning), over thinker, hide deep emotions and appear cold but I am not. Easily sick of the mundane (day to day) questions some people tend to ask. Honesty and sincerity are key, hate if people don't display both (and I don't use that word much).

Always need adventure and travel and risk it all just to go on said adventure (so not all that practical), try to be concise but sometimes fail. Need security and stability, (overall), in a relationship (that they won't wander or get scared of the emotions or run away) but also excitement and experimentation within the relationship. As long as I know the person is faithful, I will let them spread their wings and fly, and explore themselves.

Sun Scorp
Moon Aries
Asc Cap
Venus/Merc Sag

 

So are any of these Signs close to the Cusp - withing 10 degrees?

 

Sun Scorp, 14 degrees (house placement also key I hear, end of house 9)
Moon Aries 21 degrees (house 3)
Asc Cap 20 degrees
Merc Sag 0 degrees (House 10)
Venus Sag 21 degrees (house 11)
Mars Cap 23 degrees (house 1)

 

Somebody should kill that Panda, it's very distracting.

Intellectual Earthly Capricorn Rising
Sensitive Fiery Aries in the Moon and
Expressive Watery Scorpio in the Sun.
The only one these that is close to a neighbor is Aries at 21 degrees but any traits from Taurus would probably be overshadowed by the Fiery toughness of Aries.

Intellectual Cap in the Subjective position of the Rising Sign will, I would guess, make you responsive to others in a Structural way, maybe trying to reason out why they are acting the way they are based on what you know. Capricorn here could be cautiously concerned with family, probably with a strong tie to parents and how you are being treated by them (or were). Capricorn is Earth and Earth Signs can be insecure with others, more so in the Subjective, Responsive Rising Sign. While Taurus Feels how others are treating it, and Virgo hears what is being said to it, Capricorn will Think about what is happening and react based on its ability (Scorpio and Aries also will have their input.)

Aries is Independent Fire, Sensitive to how it is received. In the Expressive, Ego level of the Moon it will like to talk about itself more often then not (of course Scorpio will bring some control to what is being said because it doesn't want to be seen in a bad light.) Aries can be Adventurous (all Fire is) but it has more of the Pioneer type of adventures, coming up with new ideas and ways of doing things. (Venus to me is how we want to Enjoy ourselves so with Sag here that could be what drives you to want to inspire and explore many new things.

I believe Scorpio in the Sun will always be thinking about how to present "you" to others. Our Sun is the part of us that works for us to have a better future, so Scorpio, who plans what to say anyways, would be planning how its next encounter with such and such is to come off, but maybe you aren't aware of that part of you. I don't have any Water Elements in me so it is hard to really know their traits. (I am Earth and Air.) I'm married to a Cancer, Cancer, Scorpio and I still don't "get" her for the most part and what's worse is that she doesn't understand herself. Maybe your Earth side can sense the emotions that belong to Scorpio, if you had an Air Sign that might help you understand your Water Sign more, but My Air doesn't really understand her Water, I can't make the connections.

As I've said before our early life and environment will affect how we will develop through our Signs. I can't speak about your past and the direction life has taken you. I am just trying to get people to see how we can know our Signs, more easily, through the Energy and Behavior traits that are a part of how we recognize them.

our3minds.com

 

I have some faith in astrology. But I am a not a strong believer. I have studies astrology for many years. I think it’s a science to know about our character and predict our future. But good or bad deeds we are doing this life can change predefined character and future. So I think our fate can be changed. But I think learning it and understand will help us to defeat the fate.

 

Our3,
It sounds like you are talking about decants and dwads, but differently than I am familiar with?

Using Aquarius as an example. The pattern goes 0-10 Aquarius- Aquarius, 11-20 Aquarius - Gemini, 21-30 Aquarius - Libra
And then for the dwads you use a 2.5 degree increment. I.E. 0-2.5 Aquarius Aquarius, 2.5-5 Aquarius Pisces and so on

Is this the same?

 

No. What gets me is the lack of consistency found in the analysis of a persons "predicament" in life. If the deeper Aspects of Astrology are so valid and true they should be well defined and not fit into many varied events. An Aspect should be an Aspect and it should fit all the time.

I think we need to keep Astrology simple and more practical - down to Earth and easy for many to understand. It really can't be a predictor of future events because "life" is always going to get in the way and make us go a totally different direction.

I believe the Signs Traits overlap, a Mixing of traits across the Cusp between Signs. An Aries Rising near to Taurus will also have some of the need to structure its life, it can be insecure at times. The Aries is not just an Aries in this case but a Blend of the Traits of both. Just like the Traits of our Rising, Moon and Sun Signs Blend inside of us and we develop because of what we get from all 3, together. The biggest effect on us is how these 3 "Guides" will be affected by the Signs of the other people we come in contact with throughout our lives.

We start out with a foundation of Traits and we will develop our lives positively or negatively based on the events we have gone through as we are growing. That is something each person can make sense of because they have had those experiences and by knowing their basic Sign Traits, the 3 areas that many Astrologers agree make up the deepest parts of our personality, a person can truly see what got them to this point in their lives.

I believe if we can spend more time teaching the truths about the Energy and Behavior of our Signs we can empower people to find their own way in this world. I don't think Astrologers can truly ever predict someones future because there are just to many unknowns we can not see, there are just to many outcomes possible.

I have found that this way helps people and it is definitely easier for them to remember.

www.our3minds.com

 

I do a lot of horary charts, which is nothing but predicting events.

It's definitely more difficult in natal astrology, but it can be done, and I have done it. In almost every chart I find something I'm not supposed to know.

It isn't that it's complicated, but you have to know how to read a chart well. Natal has a bit more leeway than horary and takes more effort though. Horary is more concentrated, so predicting is quicker. It usually takes me about 30 minutes to do a horary, but several hours to read a natal.

 

Our3,
Apologies for the earlier scanning of thread and reply without an in depth examination. On the surface it looked similar.

I applaud your efforts in trying to create a practical view of astrology. I feel part of the reason astrology is complicated and pattern dense is due to the nature of the subject it is examining. Human beings are complex.

Have you ever looked into decants and dwads? It is more complicated than your system to set up the framework, but less complicated and I feel more accurate once you have the components.

I realize that detracts from the original intent of simplifying the process. I guess I am stuck in the mode of expecting some complication.

 

I guess that's part of my point. Our lives are not totally our own. We have many interactions with other people in this world and we do get affected by the Traits that they put forth, especially from family and friends. Others can build us up, or as is usually the case, they can harm us and cause us to change our perspective on life. We get influenced greatly from the life we live and that can overshadow any "prediction" the stars shine forth.

I like Astrology but it can't tell us what our Future holds because the Present and the Past circumstances will have a huge sway on the direction our lives (career, marriage, relationships, abilities, friendship, etc.) will take.

That's why I feel we should only help people understand the foundation of Traits they will grow from. From there life is all about perspective, circumstances and choices.

We are in control of our destiny not the stars. They just give us a starting point.

www.our3minds.com