Enlightenment

Enlightenment seems to be a good way to live because there is only peace and no negative mind. It means when though is "created" it is a creative though. However it seems to lead humanity to extinction. Samsara can make sense, but this is my problem understanding this bliss. (Sex is said to be divine)

I have a poor knowledge about enlightenment, so if you can help me, thank you!

Peace and Love! :sunny:

Edit: When you're in enlightenment state there is no desire, so where sex comes?

 

Not being enlightened myself I can only I can only give my two cents worth.

There is the enlightenment that happens after possibly lifetimes of meditation under the guidance of enlightened teachers. The result of this is a consciousness that merges into the truth of all reality beyond words.

The other idea of enlightenment is a gradual enlightening that is brought about by the conscious examination of life and the mind, and understanding that all knowledge and information is distorted by language and culture.

These are confusing times but one of the good and unique qualities of our time is that we have access to the wisdom of cultures that have placed the highest value on such understandings. The lineages that have handed down the understandings gained are still alive. There are teachers out there who are the contemporary representatives from these lineages. There are also a lot of really good books that help. Good luck.

 

Thank you for your words. I have been thinking about it.

In my projection I think when illumination is fully understood like a whole it becomes our reality, our consciousness of world. (It becomes a fully enlightenment when no thought happens about it, otherwise it's not fully or it's simple imagination). I have been getting too many déjà vu(s) about it, I feel that I have already lived an empty life full of compassion (that happens when you interact) to the others.

The reason about déjà vu(s) could be because I'm sleeping too much and I don't sleep according to the way I was used biologically. And I too feel that I'm not on "a full" Beta state.

It feels like it's a way (a good way) to live that you realize (in a process).

If I try to know why I realize it, it seems like pure imagination because mind can't interact with emptiness and unknown.

At this very beginning I assume that mind is a critical barrier/limit. I can't really trust in anyone to guide me, I'm in creative chaos (confusion) and I just want to go into the wild and be alone for a very long time.

The idea to be free from the limits of society is giving me an amazing "adrenaline/rush", it's a beautiful idea to be alone and do whatever I want to do, from screaming to dance, jump, sing, every thing I'm been avoiding. But I'm scared about masters, the idea to not surrender to them can be ego, I need to observe it alot more.

Obs: Since I read that exists to many frauds ("they say" Osho as criminal / I was addicted to him) I started judging. Innocence can be beautiful but there are somekind of limits (seems ego taking place). I simply can't let someone guide me.

Since we use pronouns when we talk it's us identifying "ourselves" with thoughts. When an "I" exist it is ego, I can't imagine how is communication without ego. Or we can travel between consciousness levels (I think).

 

pure fractality...pure coherent energy...going into death, embracing it with your whole heart and keep your memory intact. the experience and realization of immortality...imho..

 

Yesterday I experienced something deep when I was coming home on highway. I started meditating, just seeing my thoughts and after some time they went away and I got a very high energy on Ajña chakra. I was automaticly paying attention on that energy and I was totally aware of my breath. The cars were going and coming and I was totally relaxed without any thought (like a sleeping person on a room with slow music on the background). I was just walking and looking 4 steps away from my feet, when I was almost at home a thought came to my head saying that my neighbours were seeing my "sadness?", I tried to focuse on my breath but the whole idea put me back to mind. I simply can't describe what I felt, but after I come back to mind I got very scared about loosing the time idea and being alone. I almost became paranoid about it, and every time I try to understand it with mind I got very confused and every though is telling me that I can never go back to that peaceful state and that it is a prison, the prison of solitude, a deep depression.

If I describe that state with a sentence I'll be simply lying. I can't find a word to describe what that emptiness make us feel. After that thing I want always to go back to that state, it is extraordinary. It starts with observation, then it becomes the body breathing and then the mostly deep state, pure consciousness but without an idea about consciousness. The whole walk sucks, but this time I enjoyed EVERY step.


Edit: I did a cleaning meditation before the walk, when I was walking up the street, I was breathing vey deeply with my stomach and not my chest, like a child do. It brings repressed emotions and every thought about it. When you exhale it cleans you. Try it, don't avoid any feeling, good or bad. It will simply left you.

Oh, and my projection was wrong, every projection about emptiness is wrong, it will be always something else and will surprise us.

I think that when I got scared about it when I'm in mind is because I can't believe why humans are the choosen ones, the ones with consciousness. The ones that come to earth and go away from her, prisioners of samsara. I can't believe in "afterlive" because I think too much about everything... (I think that people are creating many ideas because they are afraid of dying, of not coming back in any form.)

I'm sorry if I'm not posting something "special", but I feel that I need to say something, so I'm saying it here to you.

 

Do not be sorry, my point of view is that enlightenment is a journey. It seems that you are on your journey.
Take care
Ivana

 

I have been trying for a new paradigm--one of unity, peace, love--and a new purpose, for about 5 years now. Now I am in the Army and what I initially thought could be mental illness I suspect is an awakening.

In the past, I had always written off ideas of 'energy healing' and 'light bodies' etc; however, the feelings I am having now are only eased by these kind of practices. Feelings like: overwelming emotions (esp. love, joy, awe), intuition of being led by a greater 'intelligence', purpose, as well as physical symptoms . . outward pressure from chest with varying intensity, 'crawling' anxious feeling in back, shoulders, neck and back of head.

This intense physical sensation intensifies into a panic attack (maybe?) at times with increased breathing, heartrate, blood pressure. Like a reaction to stress. Makes sense.

It feels as though my body from the abdomin upwards is splitting and giving way to an unseen.. sensation of a 'tree' or just the feeling of something reaching from my chest outwards through my head and up and into.. everything!

This feeling truly began to intensify 7 days ago, though it has maintained a subtle presence for years. Now I have done a few meditations I have found on youtube and the like, but I need guidance. Last night I did a third eye meditation and felt as if this process, as I view it, entered a new phase at that time. This feeling involved that pressure from the back of my head moving forward behind my eyes, but at this time has recessed to the base of my skull. Yesterday, before this happening, I experienced more of a pain/headache than the mere discomfort I had been experiencing from that pressure.

As I said, I am in the military and I am having a really hard time finding anyone who understands what is happening. This includes medical (mental/behavioral health) personnel as well as peers and the internet community.

That said, I have found encouragement primarily in the work of Alex Grey. Many of his portrayals are what I am experiencing and I am very hopeful regarding all of this. There is more I could say but for now I want to know if anyone can help. I see that this is a personal journey and in the end I am the only one making it but there must be somebody with information. I want to know that I'm going about this in the right way. If nothing else it will ease my mind. Now I am at the point where I cannot properly function day-to-day and will need to be admitted to the hospital, mostly for my own sake so I can focus on what is happening, but also by way of being observed and evaluated further by medical professionals.

I need something. A reference. A guru. Something.

But I know, in the end, this is happening for a reason and so must work out perfectly. I have faith, hope, and love for the ever wise mechanics of the universe. These things ease my mind.

thanku

 

There's an "I" that is mind/ego.

There's a consciousness that realizes the "I" as mind/ego.

There's a big consciousness that realizes the small consciousness (watching the mind).

This big consciousness is everything exists.

So if we come to a point to realize it, what will happen if someone do any shit to the body or the way we live (something like New World Order)? Are we just going to watch it happen because we are consciousness?

I said there's no way to understand emptiness with mind, it is true but this question is annoying me, I can't ignore it.

I'm very confused and I'm at a point of contradiction about the enlightenment.

 

I believe that the enlightened individual never truly considers himself enlightened because the moment he does he ceases his quest for enlightenment, like happiness it is not a goal, obtainable permanently, it is only through an open mind and heart with the absence of ego, past or future.

But, truly, I have no real idea of the true pathway or the feeling of such enlightenment.

Such individauls may be around us, but we may not realize it for they look no different from you or me, but perhaps their face mirrors an expression of peacefulness.

Continue your quest, friend. Do good work, work for good, conquer your ego and love your neighbor. :2thumbsup:

 

Beautiful!

At this time I don't care about analysis, the joy I'm geting in every experience is more than everything I can achieve with mind.

I just want to tell people how Zen (Buddhism) is helping me. "I" was very egocentric feeling like I was the king, so in everything I wanted to be on top. By consequence some things are impossible to achieve at same time so I started to make a lie in my head thinking I had achieve it, I was creating fake feelings and I was geting angry everytime without knowing why. I started to get paranoid thinking police and those agencies were watching me with cameras in evey place at my home, with people outside watching me, everyone trying to catch me. At the begining it was amazing, everyone looking at me (I was like WOOOOOOOOW!!!) but then it started to be embarrassing. When I started to masturbate I was thinking if they were seeing me, if I was taking a shower if they were watching me, and many crazy shit. I feel it sometimes but it is geting over day by day.

If anyone wants to read more things you can read this thread.

Peace. :afro:

 

Let's forget the meaning about life and every question! We're here so it's time to enjoy it. If we are ok with us and everyone else without judging, we're in peace, we love everyone no matter what, and we enjoy life without wanting to know anything more.

Let's live in balance, with a higher counsciousness, and enjoy everything is here.

@Just wanting to share this thought.

 

Your post is inspiring. Thanks.

Many people want to come to the enlightenment level, but for the enlightened individuals, enlightenment is already not their goals, and they seem similar with common people, but their minds are different.

 

What lineage of enlightened do you mean? Tibetan Buddhists have an entirely different view than say Advaitists, or Shaktas, or Daoists.

In Tibetan Buddhist tantra the 'negative' is not tossed out. Instead the negative when used with positive motivation is positive. But enlightened means one is an expert in the nature of mind and heart. I have maybe met one person like that, and I wouldn't know for sure. He was a wonderful lama now passed away by name of Kunzang Dechen Lingpa, actually and another named Tulku Teglo. But again, they are just humans, though masters of meditation.

Could they float in air? Probably not. My original guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wasn't enlightened. How can I say that? He created too much conflict between people. I do not believe that a master of meditation will create yet more conflict. A real master should be like a great chef, who even when he makes mistakes he makes really good mistakes which are better than an amateur's best works.

You know what I mean? even the wipeout of a pro motocrosser has more skill and awesomeness than the attempted and successful wheely of a novice. Due to expertise.

Again, in another example an enlightened person is like a Phd, while one striving for enlightenment is like an undergrad.

What is enlightenment? Most definitions would suggest that the enlightened know how best to act in any situation. Their actions produce favorable results. They harmonize the weather, and their desires are fulfilled spontaneously. The enlightened also have strong morals and do not deviate from them.

If one looks around in almost every system of religion and spirituality most are mere practitioners and usually neurotic somehow. The enlightened uphold life and know what things are beneficial for best life and which things should be avoided, and they practice as they preach.

In Buddhist tantra the bliss is used to allow greater compassion and better wisdom, because since one is blissful they will be less attached to the results and fruits of action. Much like psychotherapy under the influence of MDMA. When in bliss one's mind is more flexible.

There is no absolute rule that sex and enlightenment are incompatable. Different societies are more or less liberal.

 

I don't know much about buddhism. The enlightenment I am talking is based on Zen Buddhism. I want to search to be more confident, but it only make me more frustrated. I read a text talking about it, and it was about ego and enlightenment. While in search, ego is working, it's not dead.

I had problems with drugs and alcohol, since I quit using them (every day), I have tried 2 times. I have no desire for them, and they make me feel sad, they were not a way to escape, they were a way to stay in suffering. It's easier to be in suffering, he doesn't need a "change". All my suffering is about ego, I can see it a way better now, the fear of rejection is my only suffering. Not in a general way, just in some cases, it's all about friendship, nothing more. I was very egocentric and it killed all of my relations, my desire for power took me into paranoia, I was not acting to affect someone, I was acting to kill my self.

Today I had a very beautiful experience, but I felt very scared, I associated it to deep depression. I was not strong enough, and unconsciously I got drunk. Now I'm aware, I want to cry, existence is waiting for me, she is always here.

Meditation is unblocking many emotions, I started repressing it again, but sudently I remember about unblocking, I'm just watching what happens.

That was the meditation I tried today while walking near the beach. Everything I ever dreamed about is HERE, where I live, everything is so "perfect", so beautiful! The mind just doesn't allow me too see it.

I mean, I dreamed to be someking of a master, to be alone near the beach in a kind of Island. Walking, enjoying every breath, with someking of fog between the mountains. I think my fear is here because sometimes I judge to much, I need to enjoy more. I'm a slave of mind, the mind can't understand emptiness and it doesn't want to "die", so it creates the illusion of depression.

I always meditated and I enjoyed alot, I feel like I'm changing, I don't fear many things now. I'm scared about mind, nothing more.

It's somekind of joy that I can't understand.

(I just want to shared. =D)

 

Okay, sounds fine. Do Not Concentrate Against Anything. Accept all your thoughts as having equal right to coexist and do not judge some thoughts as being more or less acceptable than others. The mind and body are extremely sensitive and variable. In all the universes we can see through science and witness within, there is no other body as amazing as the human body. Maybe you do not like the feelings, or color of some feelings or thoughts but they are still amazing from any perspective.

Just do not kill yourself and do not kill others. Everything else is pretty much okay. This was advice to me from a Buddhist master.