OK, first off thank you. I'm in California - and my contract basically is what you described in your post. The Dr I have the contract with gives me norco and xanax as well as my thyroid meds. I've been seeing him for a year now. BUT 2 months ago, I was getting tired of no relief and he wouldn't change my meds, so I went to another DR (that I use to go to before this one) and he prescribed me Norco and Xanax. I know, I'm bad. And BOTH Dr offices ended up finding out, calling me, and chewing me out - BUT the DR office that I have the contract with said "if you stay with us, and don't Dr Shop, we will continue your narcotic treatment" - BUT I'm freakin out scared to go in there and face him because the contract was about TRUST and I broke that, and I'm just wiggin out cuz i don't want to get chewed out again. I mean, this lady in his office put me through the wringer like I was a 5yr old kid. BAD!! So that's my situation. As of now, I haven't gone to see him cuz I'm scared to, and I'm out of everything now. I have a few xanax which I tapered, along with tapering my pain pills, took the last one today, which didn't do ANYTHING to help me. PLUS I want to ask him to change my meds, after I broke his trust? Probably not a good idea, even though his NOT changing my meds led me to DR Shop for pain relief. BUT... that's still my fault. Did I answer your question? I hope I understood you correctly,
Just be honest with him and tell him you did what you did because the dosage that he currently has you taking is ineffective and since you mentioned an increase to him in the past and he brushed you off, you felt the need to go elsewhere. Really sucks that you are out.....trust me I been there and it sucks. Plenty of Imodium and water plus if you still have xanax that will help you out quite a bit as well until you can re-up.
That's what I'm gonna do, the most he can do is take my $80 and turn me away, which would be BULLS*** since the office told me if I stuck with him they would continue treatment for me. And I've got 5mg's left of xanax, 2 and 1/2 bars I broke up, but I think I am gonna break a couple of those into quarters so I have some half mg's too to taper well with as I am not sure when I'll get to go see the Doc and don't want to be cold turkey, but at least I tapered. I've got Imodium AD and water, thank you so much for the helpful info!
Listen, it sounds to me like he needs your business. Go back to him, see him. In the first two minutes you will know if he wants to chew you out. BUt know this, when you go in, let him have he speil, im thinking hes not gonna say a whole lot to you. Teh him that you felt trapped with him in the beginning because he refused to upgrade you because you know your tolerance is up and your taking too much of what u are prescribed, Tell him you need to be upgraded to Oxycodone 10mg IR, 4 perday. By doing that you are also able to stop taking well over the maximum daily suggested allowance of Acetametophen. Tell him you think that that will keep you inline with taking ur meds as perscribed. Dont let him tell you any different, dont let him over prescribe you, Just the 10mg IR is what you need, no more no less. if my hunch that he needs you is correct, he will agree, especially when you tell him that the other Dr has said that he will work with you but you came back to him because you felt bad for breaching his contract, but that you felt you had no choice. This should at a minimum get you at least an upgrade to Percocet 10mg. And if you get to 10mg IR, all the better. But under no circumstances will you accept the same shit again because it is what made you desperate enough to Dr Shop in the first place. Hes made it known that he needs your business, now make him treat you with respect and treat your pain responsibly. Good luck. Go ASAP and report back to us on how it went call his office first thing Monday morning and tell the nurse you need to walk in to see the Dr today because you are out of Medicine. He would be a fool at this point to refuse you a walkin with him. BTW, are you a man or woman. Its the name making me ask that question........
Pixies problem isnt a dosege problem, its a medicine problem. If Pixie were to get a dosege increase, his tylenol or motrin intake will increase. BADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Idea. What Pixie needs is a med change via upgarde. Pixie needs to move up from hydrocodone to oxycodone either via 10mg Percocet ro oxy 10mg IR, and yes they make those (10,15,30).
By dosage I meant medicine. I should have been more specific. What is a BADDDDDDDD idea is walking into ANY doctor's office and specifically requesting a certain medicine and dosage that you think you should be prescribed. This is one of the first red flags that doctors are taught to look for as far as pill-seeking behaviour.
normally I would instantly agree with you, however Pixies situation is diff. But in a way you are correct. Now that I think about it all he should request is an upgrade, I was actually saying all that for Pixies Benifit, but I can see where I didnt explain it to Pixie, Good catch. I am myself on an extensive contract of y own, so I do know better than that. However, I think the Doc has made himself a touch vulnerable. Rarely will you see a Dr take ptient back after patient is found Dr shopping. That is 99 percent of the time a deal breaker. So Pixie, Yeah Do not ask for a certain medication, only that you need to get upgraded because you are seriously concerned about how much tylenol you are taking and the fact tht If you take your current Meds as perscribed, you get absolutely no Pain Relief.
Thank you guys - And I am female. Yea I was surprised that they said they would continue treatment with me, even after the massive chew out. I don't know if they'd accept me as a walk in. He's super busy, when I call, they usually tell me he's not free for 3-7 days. So you don't think he'd have me come back JUST TO CHEW ME OUT? Then tell me to leave? They wouldn't have me go in to call the cops or anything, right? Just thought of that, yikes. The reason I say that is because the b*** nurse that chewed me out told me, 2 or 3 times, "you know he can turn you in for this right? He's not going to, but he has the right to turn you in" - over and over - So yea, I'm gonna make the next appt with him I can get. See originally, the real reason I went to the other Dr is because I had a very bad UTI (urinary tract infection) and I called his office, they said he wouldn't be there for a week, so I told them what was wrong and asked if they could please prescribe me antibiotics, that I knew what was wrong bcuz I had one when I was 17 before, and that I was very uncomfortable and in pain. They told me that BECAUSE OF MY CONTRACT THAT NOT EVEN HIS NURSE COULD PRESCRIBE ME EVEN ANTIBIOTICS. ??? WTF? So I said screw this, and made an asap appt with the other Dr. When I saw the other DR, who had originally treated me before for my back and had me get the MRI, he asked me how my back was, and I told him, NOT GOOD at all, and I also told him about my knee that I had hurt badly falling on cement stairs, and that 10 months later it STILL HURT and I couldn't put any pressure on it at all. I told him my other DR blew me off calling it a "contusion" and said I'd be fine. Well the other DR said, NO that's not right, you need an xray bcuz your kneecap might be fractured, 10 months is a long time for just a bruise. Then he just refilled all my scripts I had before when I saw him, and when I got the scripts, I was like COOL!!!! Not thinking of getting in trouble, just thinking of being able to get some pain relief. Anyhow - I dunno what he's gonna do. See last time, he switched me from Norco 10/325's 120 a month to Percs 5mg 90 a month (I forget the apap dosage, sorry). But isn't that the same exact thing? Pretty much? Again, thank you for your time and help, it is very much appreciated.
I feel I might be confusing you guys with the Dr and Other Dr thing. So, the DR I have the pain management contract with is Dr E. The Dr I don't have the contract with and call "Other Dr" is Dr F. Dunno if I can post their real names so just using the first letter.
Also the last time I saw Dr E. (Now this is the same dr my friend goes to who is 9yrs younger than me and gets Norco, Xanax AND Ambien, and who is not on a pain contract at all) - I told him I had been having a lot of trouble sleeping, basically insomnia really bad, I asked if I could have something to sleep bcuz I have tried everything and it has been going on for almost a year now. He told me this "Sounds like your getting too use to your meds, I don't think you should be on sleep meds, you're too young to be on all that stuff, try sleeping naturally" - WTF? He gives my girl friend the SAME STUFF HE GIVES ME PLUS Ambien, and she's way younger and doesn't have to be on a contract with him - and the hilarious thing is that the last time I saw him, she had an appt with him in the next room at the same time, and he filled her meds including ambien, yet wouldn't give it to me, and I have an MRI proving something is wrong with my back, and he never asks her for anything and just gives her what she wants. Granted, she goes in, turns on the tears, and is a reeeeally big complainer. No disrespect to my friend, but it's true. She can make you feel terrible for her if she wants to and she won't stop till she gets what she wants, she'll keep going and going and going. She's very good at it. Anyhow, does this sound like inconsistancy with Dr E? Because to me, I don't understand him.
And ALSO over the last 9 months or so, I see him every 3 months - I have NO insurance, so I pay $80 for a visit - I ask him for Compazine to control the nausea when I take the pain meds, and EVERY SINGLE TIME he says, YES NO PROBLEM - but when I get out of there I realize there's not compazine on the script - so I call the office, and they say "Nope you have to come in AGAIN FOR A VISIT for him to prescribe it to you" - and I tell them I WAS JUST THERE, and they say, "oh well, sorry, make another appt" - Doesn't this sound a bit messed up? Compazine and antibiotics are NOT the things in my contract that are ruled OUT to get prescribed to me from ANYONE. The contract just says "no street drugs, no getting scripts from other drs for benzos and pain meds" and I think that's it? So why would they make me come in again for a script that is NOT a narcotic that he just told me he'd give me 5-10 minutes earlier and then forgot to give me. That's HIS FAULT, NOT MINE! I am going to bring that up to him and make a BIG point about it when I see him - I'm gonna tell him that after 9 months of asking him for compazine, and him forgetting every time, and then calling and the staff telling me "sorry you have to come in again for that" - that I got really frustrated! That's BS right???
"He gives my girl friend the SAME STUFF HE GIVES ME PLUS Ambien, and she's way younger and doesn't have to be on a contract with him" DID YOU PUT HIM ON THE SPOT WITH THIS INFO? If not, why not. First thing is, no matter where you look at info concerning the use of opiates for pain relief, a standard side affect is always insomnia. Hes playing you like a fiddle. Get what you need from him or you will go where u can get it. Also, look hard at your contract, if its like mine, I get all of my other meds from my other Dr. Im guessing your contract states that if you attempt to get any of the meds he is perscribing you, somewhere else, then that breaks the contract. All other meds Including Ambien (which sucks for sleep on opiates btw) are fair game to be had from another Dr. And trazadone rocks for sleep on opiates!!
Each time you walk in his door you pay a fee for an office visit right? Theres your answer. Dont leave his office without script in had.
LOL, ok darlin Ill stop talking to you like a guy. I saw you mentioned a GF and just assumed. No, I dont think he would call you back just to chew you out, I do think he called you back to continue collecting your money since you are a cash paying patient. Now are you thinking that the NON Contract Dr is gonna be nad at you? Didnt he know you were under contract for pain? If so, then Dr F is responsible for all your problems with Dr E. Having said all they we have talked about, the bottom line is that Dr E needs to treat your pain. The only way he can do that is to know how much pain you are in even taking what he has perscribed you. What you tell him concerning your pain is the basic foundation to help him make the proper decisions on your treatment. If you are telling him that his currently perscribed treatment isnt getting it done, by contract, hes also breaking it. Most Doctors will assume you have no idea what you are entitled to via contract. They will try to put the fear of god in you in an attempt to make you believe you have no rights concerning your treatment! Pixie Hun, where are you from?
Sorry for the late response. I'm in California. And no, Dr F didn't know I was under contract. I saw both Dr's in January, and only went to Dr F after I, yet again, wasn't happy about them telling me to come back and pay again for something I was JUST there for. And I haven't gone back to Dr E since. But I need to make an appt with him, I'm just literally, TERRIFIED. After I got literally chewed the f**k out by the office person. I mean CHEWED OUT! Anyhow - I guess if he doesn't move me up to something less harmful and more helpful then I can just go somewhere else. And yes I pay every time I see him.
Also, no I didn't put him on the spot with him giving my friend the same stuff plus sleeping pills without a contract. I didn't want to question him like that. Not my business what he does for other patients, but it is very frustrating knowing that info and butting heads with him. BUT if he's saying I"M TOO YOUNG to be on all that stuff, then WHY does he have my friend that is 9 years younger than me on the same stuff.... wouldn't she be considered EVEN YOUNGER? I really dunno where his head is sometimes.
Nope I haven't seen him since the phone call, not since January actually - way past due. I hope he will change my meds, but I dunno?
That fact and that fact alone is why you should have called him out, Hes playing games with you and you should stand up for yourself is all im saying. No Dr staff should ever give you shit. Thats the Drs right alone. In fact you could report them to the BBB but at this point it would probably usless. Im just frustrated over your situation because you arent getting the support u deserve, All I can say is that I wish I could go to a visit with you just once, hehe. Hang in there darlin, dont take his bullshti as an answer. The fact that he wants you back speaks volumes concerning his ability to keep his patients. Im rootin for ya!!!! HUGGS!