The Hip and Substituted Tryptamine Thread

i'm looking for some comprehensive advice about some substituted tryptamines. the ones i have in mind are:

4-HO-DPT / 4-Aco-DPT - anyone know anything?

4-HO-DET / 4-AcO-DET - compare contrast with each other / with other more common chems (4-Aco-DMT or mushrooms)

4-HO-MET

5-MeO-DiPT

5-MeO-MiPT - maybe compare / contrast these last two?

there's also 4-HO/AcO-DiPT/MiPT. i'm not quite as interested in those, but by all means, they can be included in any discussion that may follow.


in general, is it found that 4-HO-X is harder hitting, possibly more nausea, maybe more intense, while 4-AcO-X is more gentle and forgiving (at least at lower doses, or when compared to the HO counterpart)??


any info about MET? he can feel extra hip, since he ain't substituted.

 

The 4 substituted all have nearly identical effects with perhaps ACO having its own slight activity added on the come up. All may vary slightly on come up, but the rest our the trip if about the same as shrooms. At least in my experience. By the 4-ACO-DMT fumerate given the opportunity.

Enjoy.

 

thanks, but that's seriously not great advice. these chemicals are not mushrooms. the one time i tried 4acodmt, it was not much like mushrooms, and i would be willing to bet that i could notice the difference between 4-aco-dmt and 4-ho-det. maybe not though..

 

I don't have much experience so I don't have anything useful to add but out of the ones you have listed 4-met, foxy, moxy, and met have all been on my very excited to get my hands on list. DET also but I have never seen it around.

 

Hey PS and guys... I'm glad you started this one Pork, I'm interested but to be honest, haven't read enough on my own... about what folks experience or opinions on the major difference (if any) between the hydroxy and acetoxy (and for that matter methoxy) subs are.

I have some 4 ho dipt and sooner or later might have some idea myself. I specifically chose a hydroxy subbed to contrast with the only other synth 4 sub I've experienced, 4 aco dmt.

Sorry I can't contribute any experience (yet) Pork. Sometime soon tho.

 

Levels of intensity:

1. Simple tryptamines
2. Five substituted methoxylated tryptamines
3. Four substituted hydroxylated tryptamines
4. Four substituted acetoxylated tryptamines

Levels of duration:

1. Five substituted methoxylated tryptamines
2. Four substituted acetoxylated tryptamines
3. Four substituted hydroxylated tryptamines
4. Simple tryptamines

I've tried:

4-AcO-MET
4-AcO-DET
4-AcO-DMT
4-HO-MET
4-HO-MiPT
DPT
DMT
5-MeO-DALT (this is the one exception to the above general rule in terms of potency, and to an extent, duration too)
psilocybin mushrooms
LSD

I have en route:

5-MeO-DiPT
5-MeO-MiPT
5-MeO-DMT
4-HO-DET
aMT (another exception to the rule in terms of duration rather than potency here)

I've found that the acetoxylated tryptamines are the "middle ground" tryptamines; in other words, they last the longest while being the strongest if you're looking for a good compromise. Of course, LSD is a unique one unto itself, in fact the base for it I do believe is indole (correct me if I'm wrong). Knowing you and your tastes, I'd recommend the acetoxylated tryptamines, but then you may be more in for something hyper-potent but shorter lasting, in which case for you, I'd recommend going with the hydroxylated tryptamines. Though I have not yet tried more than one methoxylated tryptamine, I do know how they function as a general rule. Most acetoxylated tryptamines require a dosage in the range between 40-50mg for a strong trip, while the hydroxylated tryptamines require about half that, and the methoxylated tryptamines about half that of the hydroxylated tryptamines. The simple tryptamines are weird, though, and require for the most part, about twice that of the acetoxylated tryptamines. These are just general rules, as noted, there are exceptions such as 5-MeO-DALT.

I'd put 4-HO-MET back on your list in place of 4-HO-DPT, from what I know personally from experience about 4-HO-MET vs. what all I've heard about 4-HO-DPT. But just maybe I'd go with with 4-AcO-MET instead, I'm not sure what you're after. 4-AcO-MET and 4-AcO-DET are not too terribly different, though there are some minor differences. I'd get aMT, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-MET, 4-AcO-DET, and 5-MeO-DiPT if you want a really diversified bunching of experiences to be had!

IMO, none of them are particularly like psilocybin mushrooms or LSD, and really, they've all got their own flavor. Since you wanted a compare/contrast scenerio, and since I can only compare 4-HO-MET and 4-AcO-MET, here goes nothin'. The HO comes on within about ten minutes, and you're peaking within 30-45 minutes, and down within five hours (approximately). With the AcO, you come on in about 30 minutes and you're peaking within about an hour; you aren't down from that one for a good 6-8 hours. The visuals of either are far more intense than those of 4-AcO-DMT and they're both easier on you psychologically. The AcO is mellower, while the HO is much more of a rush. I suppose that summarizes them as best as I can explain, but if you've got further questions, feel free to ask :mickey:

 

So on your list, are you saying 1 is strongest/longest and 4 weakest/shortest? Or vice versa?
The only trypt I have that I haven't tried is the 4 ho dipt. I wound up with more phens, figuring I oughta stock up before the inevitable ban that's working though the system. I have some P, T7 and C, with some T2 enroute, that I have yet to sample. If I use shrooms and 4aces as a base to compare trypts to phens, Imma have to pick trypts as preferable for this cat, but, as you said, Lucy is in a class all to herself

 

@voyage: No, neither, lol. I'm saying in list one that from 1. - 4. those are most intense to least intense and that in list two 1. - 4. represents longest acting least reactive.

 

I've got some 4-HO-MET on the way, so I'll be able to drop in a little bit of advice on how it is once it finally gets here.

Yesterday I read this crazy report on BL about a guy who snorted 180mg of 4-HO-MET after eating something like 50mg and it not having much effect. Didn't really sound like a pleasant time, and it wasn't something that the guy wanted to try again.

Anyway, hopefully you can find some better advice on these chems than I have to offer pork.

 

Methinks metocin (4-HO-MET) to be a rather pleasurable one. I've done 25mg oral, then another like 30something mg oral, then about 25mg insufflated all within a 24 hour period. I then a few weeks later (last weekend, actually) dosed 45mg oral, it's terrifically pleasurable. Pure hedonism in powder form AND! You can successfully redose for the most part, somehow you don't build a fast tolerance to it. Or I don't, but I don't seem to with most, if any, sikes Maybe Lucy, perhaps Molly too. But that's 'cause I dose those two misfits semi-regularly, haha!

 

My favorite thus far is miprocin (4-HO-MiPT) though, it's highly sensual, very visual, really giggly and kind on the mind, and overall a gay ol' time to be had The body load is incredibly vibrational, not at all uncomfy, and there's no nausea for me anyway, but I'm a medical anomoly

 

Thats an understatement! :smilielol5:

So in your list, you're saying the acetoxylated ones are the least intense? Hmm... I need to do some reading.

For me anyhow, I'm looking for quality, not quantity. Trying the various experiences is nice just for the experience itself but in the end, I'd like to find THE one for me. I'm not sure which one that might be, but, one characteristic is 'better than lucy'. I'm not sure that's possible. :sunny:

My last order missed your fave by one letter. (DiPT)

 

Lol, no, it didn't (never tried Iprocin, aka, 4-HO-DiPT yet)... My fave thus far is 4-HO-MiPT. I don't know, I like some acetoxylated ones better, you take a high enough dose--and they're fairly lenient, as are the hydroxylated ones... the methoxylated not so much, you've got to be pretty dose specific from all I gather. The simples you just sort of do as much as it takes to get "there" it seems by and large, there's hardly a set dosage of like 5-10mg like for foxy or moxy. Not even a 50mg deal like with 4 aces or miprocin. I tend to prefer the hydroxylated ones because I often want a shoter trip that also happens to be fairly intense but longer than most simples would provide. But they all have their merits. One thing is certain though, you do not fuck around in the wrong way with the methoxylated tryptamines, that can be deadly dangerous. OD's and freak-outs and other assorted health/mental health problems have resulted from people taking too much of more or less any given methoxylated tryptamine. I'm going to awfully careful with my dosages with those ones, especially when smoking 5-MeO-DMT freebase. I hear that gets insanely intense (there have been some hospitalizations resulting from OD's of the stuff, I certainly won't go there--hospital or OD level dose, geez louise)!

 

At the doses I've taken 5 me0 mipt, I don't think it's really your 'style' of trypt Porkstock. That could be a false assumption but it basically felt like a tryptamine ecstasy, great with others or in a concert enviornment but there was not a dramatic shift in perception and consciousness characteristic of many of the trypts. But you know Spicey had good things to say about higher doses.

 

^^^yeah, i'd probably be interested in the higher doses of 5meomipt. you've never tried 5meodipt for comparison, have you GB?

i've never seen 4acomet around, cosmo.

thanks for the replies everyone

 

Nope, I don't really care to either. Although if it happens to come my way I wouldn't turn it down.

 

so it's just lack of interest, not an aversion to it?

may i ask why you're NOT interested in it?

 

I've heard mixed reviews on it and even with the positive reports, it doesn't really seem to be much different than moxy. I believe it's schedule 1 now anyways, so I would prefer to go seek out pcp for a thrill or have a consistent LSD/Ecstasy hookup than go track that down.

 

Foxy wasn't nice IMO! My friend absolutely hated it and got about 2 hours of tripping then a 8 hour headache. For some reason i tripped for 8 hours longer than him and i weigh more. Strange stuff.

 

Colleagues,

I've recently been given something called Methoxylated Tryptamine 5mg, packaged by the Moxie Nerve Food Company.

I've read some of the comments, but they use "technical" terms, can some one please let me know, in simply language, if its safe to use and what can I expect to feel.

Thanks