I've not needed any medical attention, there's nothing a doctor can do for Ketamine abuse. It just takes time to heal, you sound like a really nice person.
Ya definitely Primal, k isn't for everyone, not everyone's gunna even like it. I know a bunch of people who hate it, me on the other hand I thoroughly enjoy it haha
So they are doing 'NOTHING' what is it that you're 'DOING' that is so much better than them? That's an honest question.
Have some compassion! Drug use and abuse isn't based on the decision "Is this smart or not?" it's effected by a wide range of societal, economic and psychological issues. You could have easily just ended up going down the drug path yourself with your friends and end up like them and now sober you would just be being a dick to yourself! If you want to help why don't you try to do charity or volunteer work dealing with the homeless or to help drug addicts. Or give of yourself to help other people in your community in the hope of limiting the underlying causes and factors that drive people to drug use and abuse such as poverty, broken families/childhoods/communities, lack of social programs for people to get involved with, etc. It's easy to sit on your high horse and say all drug users are "morons." Why don't you do something to help instead of criticizing the lives of others? You have your own suffering to deal with just as the drug user does. So don't think you're better off, because we're all in this together!
Kudos! I think the thing to remember here is moderation people. Let us keep in mind that something as healthy and recreational as running, when done entirely too much, can itself be a detriment. Arthritis, joint problems, and wear and tear on the cardio system are all byproducts of what is understood to be a good thing. That being said.... something as obviously unhealthy as Ketamine, when used "responsibly" and in moderation offers untapped resources to more complex problems. No one is really sober
^ Truth! If moderation isn't applied and limits aren't consciously made K can create more complex problems then it can solve. One day I did near k-hole doses and meditated for an hour and it was one of the most beautiful and amazing experiences of my life. It gave me insight into many things I was oblivious to before. But at the same time, in my case, my later use and liking for k outweighed any somewhat 'deceptive' gains I had made previously. Now after experiencing everything k can do for me I almost wish I had just stuck to LSD and shrooms on the 'insight' front. Way less negative consequences albeit assuming one has a good trip. Once I had a bad trip on shrooms and it was the most horrible and painful experience of my life. It was a very good learning experience though and helped me to 'prevent' any future bad trips.
I always found the bad shroom/lsd trips more beneficial! When i use the word bad i just mean difficult at the time, i've had a couple of horror ones as well!
We're all well aware of the dangers of Meth / Smack, they are well known to be highly addictive and destructive drugs. Thats not what is being discussed here though. Ketamine, while it is powerful stuff, just aint Meth or Smack, but clearly does cause some serious internal damage, so its good that reports like this come up to remind people what they are doing to themselves on a weekend, even if it isn't as stark or harrowing as you may have liked. Not all drug users are irresponsible degenerates, criminals, shit parents etc etc you may well find that many people who use psychedelics are actually the COMPLETE opposite. It pisses me off the way people put all drugs under one bracket. If you ask me its good that there are sites like this, which do promote knowledge about drugs - the more the better as far as I'm concerned.
I can't say for sure for sure, but I think maybe in a round-about way, yes? Perhaps? I was talking to a friend who really likes getting wet the other day and my friend wasn't talking about it as if he'd done it in ghettoes or dating back to the 70's. I didn't ask him if he'd hook me up, I didn't want to push, but I was tempted to! He says of low dose PCP that unlike K you are fully mobile, it's extremely euphoric, but also really, really can be a serious mind-fuck. I'll let ya know if and when I get some what I think of it, I don't care for robotripping, MXE is really alien but very interesting, salvia is entertaining and not at all scary for me, so dissociatives and me tend to not mix and mingle the same way as most people report. All the same, the allure of phencycladine is there for me too!!! :sunny: 'Sherm stogies!!! I've always wondered why gansta-gangsta peeps would take ridiculously expensive cigarettes like Nat Sherman's and dip those in angel dust??? Seems weird to me...why not economize and just dip Basics into the shit? lol. You think it's like some sorta street level marketing thang-dang? Like en par with blotter prints?
Actually, meth and ket both are seemingly much, much more devastating to the body than smack EVER could dream of being. In point of fact, aside from irresponsible users not shooting correctly, sharing needles, etc. and getting cysts/STD's, smack doesn't actually effect the body in ways like meth's reported calcium leeching and K's blood pissing; it may make you look dopey while on the nod, but it's only when you go into withdrawals that it really takes a toll on you physically (aside from replacing your natural endorphin system). As a matter of fact, if you're prescribed to opies like Dilaudid or Oxycontin, you have good insurance, you can maintain a very stable, normal life and nod off every fucking day if you want. Heroin is a menace because it's illegal and not used medicinally, hence due to its massively addictive profile addicts will bend their morals to extremes to get a fix. Heroin isn't even necessarily as potent as IV Dilaudid, IME. 40mg of hydromorphone is a little bit more potent than an average shot of black tar. As for shooting, if you're a responsible user, you go to needle exchanges to dispose of your used gear and get new gear, all at no charge to you. Anyway, not to derail this interesting thread, but I wanted to get a few facts straight about dope. It carries the BIGGEST stigma maybe next to crack alone, and there's a LOT of misinformation about dope. It is a problem drug, I wouldn't recommend getting hooked, but my whole point here is that unlike meth or K, smack simply does not carry with it the abusive physical profile people often think it has. They see people sick from withdrawal and *assume* that that's what it'll do to ya...nope. That's what'll happen if you get hooked AND you run outta dope. And even then, the withdrawal is like a mix of the feeling you get when you're having a nicotine fit after a few days without smokes, the flu, a bipolar episode, desensitization and different manifestations of peripheral bodily discomfort. In the grand scheme of things, it's a much gentler drug to detox from than say any given benzo or barb, and to an extent, from the sounds of it, ketamine too.
^ ya opiates definitely have way worse withdrawl/physical problems then k! There's little to no hangover/withdrawal from k. That's why I love it! haha its the weed of hard drugs, in the sense that they both don't have that many negative aftereffects. Obviously k is more addictive then weed though haha
Abusive use of K is actually not difficult to quit and if you do manage to keep up not using i've always heard of positive recovery stories. Not quite sure why some people continue to use 7g+ a day when they're pissing every 2 mins! The fact people can keep it up amazes me, at those doses they must be just killing the pain of cramps away by constant use.
Irresponsible, bad, nasty people are irresponsible, bad, nasty people, be they sober or on drugs. Nice, happy, responsible people are nice, happy, responsible people, be they sober or on drugs. It's true that some of the irresponsible, bad, nasty people take different drugs, but that's because of their aforementioned qualities, not the drugs themselves. Chemicals are innocent. Go spew hateful ignorance elsewhere. You also compared LSD to crack, if I remember right.... You might not be a lowlife druggie, but you sure are an ignorant fuckhead.
He never did explain what he does in life that's so much better than the Heroin addicts he knows! 'they're doing NOTHING' Works 9-5 I suspect far superior to any of these here druggy folk!
Sorry bub, all total bullshit. You'd only know it if you lived it, you don't so move along :2thumbsup: this ain't your space. You think anyone here in a community that does openly discusses dangers, risks, hazards, as well as benefits, perks, amazements associated with drug use wants tirades like yours that are unjustified since you obviously don't read threads like the current t7 one talking about what's safe/not safe??? Get real. What you don't get is that booze, aspirin, Prozac, Ativan, Ritalin, or fucking insulin prescribed by a quack or bought OTC is what's socially acceptable, so you don't care about the costs associated with aspirin or acetominophen deaths and think that aspirin users are losers and should get the fuck outta the ER, right? I didn't think you had it all figured out like you think you do, mister. Read a bit up about my experiences with diacetylmorphine, aka, junk, horse, HEROIN. I talk objectively about the good and the bad in vivid detail. You'll fiind a discrepency in your heroin/60-year-old look analogy. Very faulty, 'friend'. Live like Buddha, live lavishly and get fat, then, resort to abject poverty, then surrender to Mother Earth and quit giving a fuck about social norms dood! :sunny:
I know, right? Fuck an office job. Fuck the government and taxation too. I've worked at shitty places like Hermes of Paris selling $450 wine glasses and $600 scarves to places nobody can really afford to shop at. I was most miserable then than any other time in my life other than abject poverty I can imagine in my life experiences. You should go homeless and realize that everything is a gift and materialism is hyped up, commercial, absolute fucking CRAP. What you CARE about most is all chemical reactions interacting with other molecules and making chain reactions. Drugs are innocent and simply other chemicals to modify states of consciousness or aid in living a healthful life if need be... the only diff is that some drugs are "D.A.R.E., Just Say No!, This is brain... This is your brain on drugs, any questions?" oriented (aka BAD, lol) whereas what you find in every local fuckin' grocery's drug aisle or any fuckin' script shop, aka, pharmacia is "GOOD", so long as good ol' doc recommends or prescribes it, except NSAID pain relievers, those are okay for anyone even 60 year old diabetic, stroke victims with hypertension in powerchairs, right? Ummm, no. Read some more before posting again please? RooRshack knows his shit, you don't dood. My friend who smoked some fuckin' DMT A FEW HOURS AGO is that 60 year old diabetic, hypertensive stroke victim in a powerchair, and he cannot take aspirin AND! he had an epiphanous marvelous time, AND! no harm was done, AND! he enjoyed it (I know, such a crime, eh?) AND! to boot the weed and changa mixture that the deem was thrown into a sandwich of helped with his upset tummy and appetite suppression problems. I can't take penicillin or erethromyacin, they'll kill me, and yet though many people die from allergic reactions and other harmful reactions from OTC and pharmacy drug use, those are "OKAY". Heroin on the other hand actually assists with my chronic back pain(s), so the legal acceptable drugs are my killers while diacetylmorphine (Heroin!) is unacceptable for no rational reason. Break your back or have a stroke and come back and tell me your theory about drugs and human consumption THEN.
I'm sorry but K just aint in the same league in terms of addiction or even deaths - look at the statistics between the two and THEN compare them. I bet you will find K is significantly less risk to the population. I agree that criminalisation adds to the risk for most users, but that is true for ALL illegal substances, regardless of their toxicity / destructive capabilities. How ever the bit I have highlighted in bold sounds incredibly nasty! I have heard no such reports about withdrawal form K, and I know quite a few regular users....
I get where you're coming from, and there's no doubt that ketamine is far less addictive and much easier to detox from than heroin or opiates/opioids in general--but that wasn't my point at all. Yes, for two weeks after stopping opiates/opioids you'll be in a hell unlike any other (all the same, for the most part, that hell isn't dangerous, just uncomfortable). However, the point I was making that must've been muddled up somehow in my post was that smack does not cause any untoward physical problems in even long, long-term users. Nobody pisses blood or gets cystitis or anything of the sort. As I was saying, given you've got the money and/or insurance policy to foot your addiction, you can lead a problem free, normal life (assuming that you don't overdose or attempt to operate heavy machinery while on the nod). Both drugs wipe you out while intoxicated, but junk doesn't fuck with your internal organs aside from constipation. Ketamine does. I suppose you can look at as both being hard on the body/mind in equal but opposite ways, all the same, that's the only point I was making. I'd hardly call living with cystitis a normal care-free life. Of course, going through withdrawal that makes you want to jump off of a bridge is hardly all that normal either.
