Thumbs Up to Torture, it ok to use it.

From AP

Evidence gained by torture can be used by the U.S. military in deciding whether to imprison a foreigner indefinitely at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, as an enemy combatant, the government says.

Statements produced under torture have been inadmissible in U.S. courts for about 70 years. But the U.S. military panels reviewing the detention of 550 foreigners as enemy combatants at the U.S. naval base in Cuba are allowed to use such evidence, Principal Deputy Associate Attorney General Brian Boyle acknowledged at a U.S. District Court hearing Thursday.

.. and the article continues on...

With alot of the controversy over torture used by the US as well as growing concerns over our very own civil rights something like this should spark a great deal of interest from the American people. Not that it will recieve a whole heck of alot of attention. Strangely, the prisoners at Guantanamo have always existed out of sight/out of mind. Making it legally acceptable to use information obtained from torture sounds an awful lot like the ideals of certain countries the US has invaded to stop those very same things. It makes torture acceptable and now legal. Isn't that just dandy.

 

It is about time they started doing their own dirty work instead of hippocritically denouncing it while at the same time getting those very same 'certain countries' to do it for them. At least now they are being honest.
Did somebody mention the Spanish Inquisition?
Bring me the comfy chair! No, not the comfy chair.

I sometimes doubt we are much further along the road to paradise than we were 700 years ago.....
What's next, burning at the stake?

 

From what I hear, torture is getting off easy in that prison.

 

I remember Saddam's response when asked if he would torture prisoners.

"Of course."

 

Yeah but his form of torture is far more humane, you know with the castrating and the cutting out of tongues and all.

 

I also seem to recall him gassing thousands of Kurds.
Nice guy.

 

Its all good, i heard all the marines kick puppies anyways.

 

damn furballs likely had it comin'

 

haha, I think that they eat babies too...only Iraqi ones though...

But seriously, we need to get our shit together. We shouldn't be torturing anyone, regardless if they woudl do it to us had they had the chance. Places like guantanamo should not exist. America should hold themselves to a higher standard, especially since we already pretend to.

 

I completely agree with you.

Torture is illegal in the US for a reason. We need to stick by that no matter where we go in the world. That is why I was so appalled when I heard about Sections 1032 and 1033 in HR 10 because they would make it legal extraordinarily render suspects to other countries where torture is practiced, and let those countries do it for us. It's a huge crock of shit! We need to uphold our standards around the world. This is just ONE of the things others point out that show our hypocrisy as a country. And so many citizens couldn't care less about Guantanmo....or think it's just dandy....yuck.

 

Yeah, I think mos people block out of their mind that Guantanmo exists, and along with that they forget the things that go on there. All the things that contradict what the US is supposed to stand for. I made a thread about Guantanamo Bay the other day, it didnt get a lot of atention.. I felf like even the people here, don't care much about it. Is like.. "sure, its wrong... ahh like I was saying have you heard this really cool song".

 

Torture shouldnt be allowed.

The question is whether blasting metallica is torture, whether blasting them with air conditioning is torture, whether making them stay up for 48 hours is torture, or making them stand up for hours is torture?

 

Hey, sorry to step on your thread .. . but yeah. More people need to wake up to the fact that we have a US sanctiioned prison camp that uses TORTURE to get it's info. TORTURE is not just some catch phrase, It' s not the same thing as 'survivor", it's not some la de da let's go to the mall approach. It's not a half asssed argumet on some split screen tv drame news bullshit show. You can't buy this at 'hot topic' and you wont' find it in yor daily news. What bullshit, what hippocritical bullshit. The reality is that the US has been using TORTURE methods for a long time. Yeah. The illusion is a load of crap.

 

Torture is an innaceptable word, and more of an innaceptable action, but somehow with the existence of Guantanamo is something the world has come to accept. I've done lots of reading of the things that go on there, and is all horrible. There are even people there that do not know why are they there, and they keep them in this place, for years of their lives, sometimes without any contact from their families. There are constant interrogations, getting confesions trough torture.. that's just wrong. I mean wouldn't you say what they want to hear if they are causing you pain, and you know that it would stop once you say it. I don't remember who was it that said this.. it was a prisoner there.. it was somethiing like this "The only right you have is that you don't have any rights".

 

Can I just point out that the title of this thread and the conclusion of the intital post are totally unsupported by the article which they are based on?

The article was only about the admissibility of evidence gained through torture. Nobody said that torture is acceptable, or legal, or gets the thumbs up, or that it is "ok to use it". In fact it specificaly confirms that torture is still illegal. All it discussed was whether evidence gained through torture - for example by Pakistan or Egypt or somewhere - could be used to support the incarceration of someone in guantanamo.

 

Boy o boy, you got me there. Accepting evidence into court gained from torture is nowhere near putting ones stamp of approval on it.

 

We're next. This is how it starts. First it's okay in detainment camps, then in prisons, then before you know it they'll be turtoring you in the interrogation room while they're waiting for your laywer to arrive.

 

If its ok to accept evidence gain trough torture then they are saying its ok to use any means "neccesary". And like I said evidence gain trough torture isnt always truth, is just a way that the person being torture uses to stop it.

 

The powers that be in the US are NOT ONLY is saying it's ok to use evidence gained through torture - they are supporting a US bill which would make it completely legal to send people to other countries TO BE TORTURED for information. See a pattern? PB, you don't think this is a stamp of approval for torture? Supporting sending people to other countries TO BE TORTURED and then saying that it's perfectly ok to use information gained THROUGH TORTURE??? Sounds like they're supporting torture to me...

Perhaps this is why the US has fought so hard to be exempt from the international war crimes tribunal...

 

I know this is a link to a blog, but it's a VERY informative blog. There are many news items and links to see on it about this subject. Give it a go. LaughinWillow is absolutely correct up there. I researched and posted about this a while back, with very little notice unfortunately.

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