I saw this the other day and am at part 10. Well its a every well factual video. The persenter is obviously well educated on this and proves it through out the video. I know people love to say that christian hijack lot of paganism so thats why they discredit christianity as a whole but this guy separates the paganism and christianity in this video. This video is heavvly debunking movies like zeitgeist that claim that christianity is nothing but a pagan religion yet this person in the video separates the true christianity from the illuminati/pagan infultrated nowadays christianity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnBiE83EjGg"]YouTube - Americas Occult Holidays 1
A few things: He seems to basically be reguritating Hislop's garbage about how anything circular is a pagan symbol (of the sun or genitals). He forgets that "Santa Claus" is a corruption of "Sinterklass" which is a Dutch/Germanic variation of Saint (Ni)klaus, i.e. Nicholas. His feast day is Dec 18 when the children's tale says he delivers small gifts to holy children after he saved girls by providing them dowries. Sinterklass in Scandanavia uses reindeer simply because that was their mode of transportation. He says palm trees are Pagan. Is the Bible pagan when the people of Jerusalem greet Christ with palm branches? Christmas is not Christ's birthday, but the feast of the Nativity of the Lord. Easter, as a Christian holiday, has nothing to do with eggs (I am sure you'd find more eggs at Protestant asseblies than at a Catholic Vigil (the most important night of all Christianity, when "Jesus Christ broke the chains of death" from the Exsultet). It must end prior to sunrise according to the liturgical rubrics. He mentions Easter then jumps to the European Union. Really what I think he is doing is loading them full of scary ideas, then throwing in the scary pagan ideas. Really he is showing how sentimental and secularised Protestantism is pagan. His most inane rambling is against Lent which, to people who are not stupid to speak frankly, is clearly a correlation with Christ's 40 day and night fast (uh-oh, the Bible is pagan again...I guess Noah was pagan as well because of the 40 days and nights of rain in one story) which prepares us for the most holy feast. It is not meant to give something up that is bad for you in the first place, or a second chance at a New Year's Resolution---you are meant to deny yourself pleasureable things in order to 1) increase your devoltional/prayer life and 2) prepare us mind, body, and soul for the feast of the Ressurection. Easter/Isthar/Ôstarâ - English and Germanic languages are the only ones who base their name this way. All others are derived from the GReek Pascha which is borrowed from Hebrew, Passover or "Great Day" (as in the Ukrainian Великдень/Velykden' for the non-Cyrillic readers). Wwll that was more than a few. I wish people would read real books and not beleive a self-professed "ex-Illuminati/witch". His rant about St Patrick's feast is funny too. Poor prro ignorant souls.
I understand where ur coming from but like even what he said where in the bible does it allow for any sort of celebration. I understand how things like easter(ressurrection) and the birth of christ (dec) are for whorship towards God but still there's no support from the bible for all these celebrations. Also you didn't find it strange how well his alining of dates with pagan celebrates goes on well. I don't knw how well u studied the illuminati but any christian to deny the exsistents of the illuminati is a foul. People can scream the conspiracy are stupid but if they were false why would they exsist and still not debunked.
but did you miss how Santas all seeing, he knows whos been good or bad and in one night he brings joys to all the good children? Sure Santa doesn't exist but many churches go on celebrating such belief. Santa does sound all godly which cant be denied.
Yeah, but who created those things, secular America. An all knowing all seeing St Nicholas has never been a part of Christianity. A South American bishop had, this past Christmas, stated that Santa Claus is a symbol of commercialism and not Catholic. The Bible makes no provision for driving in cars, what type of building the Lord's Day celebrations should take place in, what those services are like for Protestants (we have our own theology of the Last Supper), and an almost infinite number of topics. Feasts and Solemnities are celebrated no becaus it is written in Scripture, but out of love of God and the wisdom of Holy Church we were given these days in addition to the regular Sundays so we can be bountiful in our love of God. I am not doubting the Illuminati, only their power and links to Babylonian paganism and European basedpaganism and witchcraft.
Yes that is true but cars are not generally considered part of true worship. Things like Christmas and Easter, generally are considered part of true worship and as such; where they come from, whether the Bible makes provision for them and how much they conform to true worship should be considered. Take Christmas for instance, very little of how Christmas is celebrated is true, so how is Christmas celebrated "out of love of God", a God who is a God of truth not a God of lies? You say that; Christmas is not Christ's birthday, but the feast of the Nativity of the Lord, even so the question can still be asked, why is it celebrated at the time of the Saturnalia instead of closer to when the Nativity of the Lord took place, around the first of October?
The dates are speculated...Why worry when everyday is a cause for celebration and spiritual observance.. Also, yes the pagan traditions have gotten very mixed with those of Christianity...Easter has become "Color-egg-Jesus-day" or something horrific like that. Either way capitalism tries to market all holidays in the most PC family-friendly way there is. The eggs and rabbits came from the pagans celebrating furtility. Bunnies are less offensive globally than a deeply personal religious figure. Christ's resurrection is only theorized to happen at this time...if it did or not it doesn't really matter, we acknowledge and remember.
"the most important night of all Christianity"? If that is so then why aren't we told to celebrate it in the Bible, by Jesus or his disciples? Do you know of a Christian celebration that was authorized in the Bible by Jesus and his disciples? If so why isn't that celebration considered "the most important night of all Christianity" by your religion?
I never said it was sanctioned, you did... I said it, Christ's ressurection night, was the most important (or at least that was my intention) because as St Paul writes, if Christ was not truly risen, then our faith was in vain. We dedicate one Lord's Day a year to a special memorial of christ's triumph over death around the time of Passover.
Sanctioned? Since this thread is taking about holidays, and you said that "Christ's resurrection night, was the most important" of these "holidays", sanctioned or not, I merely asked why we should consider this holiday more important than the one that Jesus himself said was important enough to celebrate or "sanction", if you will.
Haven't watched the vid yet... But, I think it's funny how the Christian/Catholic (though, it could be because of the US) religion stole so many holidays from pagan beliefs. Did you know the Christmas-time Yule Log was taken from pagan beliefs? Some gathering in Czechoslavakia or Germany. Look it up! I'm not lyin' lol.
Why the date? Ok, here it is: In Egyptian Mythology, Osirus (better known for the lord of the dead) was hailed as the "Lord of Lords, King of Kings, God of Gods, the Good Shepherd, the god who made women and men born again." This was related to the story in which Isis ressurects him after being killed by his brother Seth, the lord of Chaos. He descended to the underworld, and cared for the dead. WHy do you think egyptians took so much time in preparing and caring for their dead? Osirus' followers celebrated his birth on December 25th, eating cakes of wheat to symbolize his body. In Greek mythology, Dionysis was a savior god also worshiped on December 25th, whose followers also ate bread and wine to symbolize his body. (This practice was borrowed of course, from the Egyptians, around 1000 BC) In Roman mythology, which often went hand in hand with Greek mythology, there was a very similar god, named Attis, born from the virgin Nana. The story goes that he was sacrificed as an adult to bring salvation to mankind. He died in March, crucified to a tree, then descended for three days in the underworld. On Sunday, he arose as the new Sun god, and his followers also worshiped his birth on December 25th, eating bread to symbolize his body. (again, borrowed from earlier religions) Now, the Roman Emperor Aurelian was what you would call a "pagan," however, for the Church's sake, decided to Christianize Rome.(Royals often did this to unite their country, or to make peace with the powerful political organization of the Catholic Church) The Christians at this time did not remember the exact date Jesus was born. Makes sense, his life didn't really get recorded until he was older. So Aurelian, who didn't really believe in the Catholic doctrine and whatnot, blended the dates of these and other religious dates, like the Winter Solstice and the Roman celebration of Saturn (Dec 17-23), into one nifty package that became Christmas. Does it matter that Christianity shares alot of Pagan beliefs? Hinduism shares alot of Bhuddhist beliefs. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are basically different versions of the same story, with some stuff added or removed over time. Western spirituality has simply evolved over time, and to say that earlier belief systems are "heresy" is a little hypocritical, don't you think? Btw, while I'm not a strict "Christian," I do believe in alot of the Christian values, based on my own interpretation of the Bible, not necessarily what the general beliefs are. So, please don't bash on me for posting this.
Night Owl, that is most interesting. Although I am a little familiar with mythology, I'm almost embarassed to say I've never had this so concisely (and easily) "explained". Of course, I'll do my own brand of research, but I'm betting you have your basic facts right. Personaly, I always thought it was smart for the up and coming Christian religion to blend their holidays with those already celebrated. I also believe that the most, most important "holiday", or day to recognize would be Jesus's resurrection. I am a believer...I just dont' think everything there is, is easily found in the bible.
Before you believe what has aparently been fed to you from dubious sources, do some more research into timelines and theologies of ancient cults. Attis, by my quick little internet research, was born of Nana who was found pregneant after eating from an almond plant which sprouted from the phallus of a castrated male-female god(ess), and was set to marry a kings daughter when he castrated himself (for infidelity). His cult mainly consisted of a eunuch priesthood who reenacted the castration event. Aurelian was Emperor of Rome prior to Constantine (the one normally accused of declaring Rome a Christian Empire). That honour goes to Theodosius I in 380 when he decreed that all should confess the faith of the bishops of Rome and Alexandria. Constantine I did have an intrest during the Nicene Council for a unified Christianity, but clearly had Arian leanings. I suspect the other correlations between Osiris et al to be, by and large, superficial coincidences that point to a larger truth. Humans desire salvation from the power of sin and death, but only one man in history has the power to truly break the bonds of death and unshackle humanity form the slavery that is sin: that is Jesus Christ in full hypostatic union.
