Metal Elitists

I mean, seriously! Why can't people have opinions?

I like metal as much as you guys do, but also like Linkin Park, Slipknot, Limp Bizkit, Crazy Town, Korn, and Kittie. Does that make me a poser? According to metal elitists, it does. Besides those bands I like the basics of metal--Slayer, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, etc.--and I like some obscure metal bands, such as Finsterforst, Kawir, Temnozor, and Corpsefucking Art.

I just want to ask something: Why is such a crime to like certain bands in the metal community? Why do we all have to listen only to "true metal"?
It is getting childish!

I apologize if a similar post has been created?

 

Some people don't like their music tainted by modern influences, especially when those influences are gradually taking over the scene. Personally, I wouldn't like it if you put R&B beats into my Beethoven.

 

I like it all. I think it's absurd when they say metal "has to be" this way or that. But then I hear metal when I listen to classical, so... Dunno, I'm odd in that respect. Mozart was progressive/symphonic metal, Beethoven was power metal, Bach and Vivaldi were like old-school 80's heavy metal.

Plus, we shouldn't forget the fact that grunge bands like Nirvana had some metal-ish sounding songs too. They had songs like "Negative Creep" and "Breed", Melvins have "Revolve" and "Honeybucket", and the alternative band Smashing Pumpkins have tunes like "Quiet" and "Zero", which are all definitely metal-like. And Alice In Chains? How much more metal can a band get without calling themselves metal than those guys? Well actually there are many I'm sure, lol. Point is, there's NO TRUE METAL. Metal just is metal to whoever hears it. That's why there will always be those who regard AC/DC as metal. I don't really see it myself for the most part, maybe with the exception of like "Razor's Edge", but if someone wants to think they sound metal-ish, then why not?

Metal will never die. \m/

 

Hey I got a negative rep for my last post, my first one(surprisingly, lmao xD )!! Kinda refreshing actually, lol. No hard feelings.
<3

 

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As an older guy who lived through the hay day of metal it's hard for me to answer this question with non biased eyes and EARS . I think rock and metal did perceive perfection back in the late seventies through the early nineties .
This was its classic period where new grounds were broken and things evolved and were improved on . As long as you understand its origins , its theory as a platform to build your base on today, and I think you do . Then you my friend can never be a "poser" for liking the newer stuff . You like what you like . I like a couple new songs from todays bands , but i'm listening though aged ears . And will always be stuck in the hay day of metal .

But you also have to understand that back then freakin metal was HUGE .Every kid was wasted on it , and MANY, MANY other substances . Then came the bubblegum hairbands for the teenage girls . I.m.o. this is what killed metal in the late eighties and early nineties . Sure they some good songs and ballots , however the talent for the craft was no loner there . The kids were growing up , the teenie bopper girls as well . The hairbands and their makeup fell to the sidelines and seemingly died overnight .

Rap and r&b was becoming more mainstream . Metal all but died . Then came grunge . I hated it , but it was good in some respects cause somewhere in it was metal and it was still alive though on life support . Sure grunge had a couple great tunes too , but lacked the fire , passion and ram it down your fuckin throat mentality .

So there was a lull a break . Real metal was no longer "mainstream " you had to seek out backroads to find it . So everyone (including next generation kids )fell back on the tried and true classics , most of the classic bands were still around and rockin , older and not as mainstream . This is why you encounter so much resistance NOW with the newer bands like linkin park , slip knot ,and limp biscuit . It's not the old time metal heads , it's their kids who were in a serious metal lull , and reverted back to the old classic bands and never looked forward .

Like I said before , I give these "new" bands credit for turning on a new generation who would have been lost if not for them . They passed the torch to today generation . I hope it will always continue . It will keep evolving and changing into new sounds and riffs , that's what it does .

 

There's always gonna be elitists, in everything. Maybe you have even been seen as being elitist to others.

Some people just have strong opinions and don't know how to share them properly, many may not realize they are acting this way, others will just know they are right so feel justified to act so.
When a genre is (roughly) focussed on hard, raw emotion (often anger) - it really shouldn't be surprising.

Just take them with a grain of salt and let their words pass through your ears without resistance; you know they are (being) douchebags, why let them bother you?

 

so you would say that in other words vanilla ice is was gangster rap was it gets? I mean he raps about drugs does that put him in a category of gangster rap? my point here is that there is a line between what truely is defined as metal and whats just rock/hardrock/grunge/punk/FUNK.

 

How so if Metal didnt come to exsistent till Black Sabbath came?

so by your logic everything (rock) is metal or partially influenced when in contradiction to nirvana who where against it and pretty much where the "killers" so to speak of Metal in the early 90s in America.

Metallica.

Pink floyd has double bass drums back its "Meddles" days so can I classify them as metal? Therefore they are the originators of Metal?

 

Its problably done vice versa....

 

I remember it as if was 1999 yesterday but those bands never stood up for metal but just as hard rock bands. I could never recall Slipknot saying there metal even till this day not that you have to say it but you come across such statement from its band members.

slipknot just jumps on the band wagon of metal now to sell cds.

 

I really don't understand this in connection with my post.

I agree. Hell, I'm the one that says Nirvana should be separated from grunge. (DISCLAIMER: not getting into that in this thread, don't try)

Maybe it should be clarified that I don't think that elitists are a problem -- until they shoot you for wearing a Pantera shirt.

I think OP needs a thicker skin and to pick her battles more wisely.

 

Yeah, they're hilarious and if you think you have to take metalheads who bash everything that isn't 'true' seriously you may be a poser indeed. Just ignore that crap. I don't like Slipknot and Linkin park but pushing my dislikes onto others because they're not matching my definition of metal would be pathetic.

 

Is pushing your dislikes on their own merit still okay? =D

 

Haha, I was just talking about how their STYLES remind me of different kinds of metal. I was hoping you'd see humour in it.

Well, some may argue that The Beatles were the earliest form of metal...Some also say Led Zeppelin. But why should it have to start there in the 50's or 60's? Where did THOSE GUYS, and let's say Sabbath, get their inspirations/influences from? Music didn't start all of the sudden in the 20th century. Everyone has been influenced by everyone before them they choose to be influenced by.

So if someone asked me which band started metal, then I'd probably say everyone until, let's say, Sabbath popularized the palm muting in conjunction with a lot of distortion, and the compositional style now common in metal. It's like someone asking, "who invented tapping?" It wasn't Eddie Van Halen, and even he admits to that. He just popularized it. Yngwie and neo-classical, the same thing. He made it a solid genre, but he was influenced by guitarists like Uli Jon Roth and Ritchie Blackmore who were already playing classically influenced phrases on the guitar.

They were against the rockstardom that came with the major metal bands back then. Kurt Cobain was influenced by all the same guys metal artists were influenced by. The Beatles, Zeppelin, Sabbath, Queen, AC/DC, KISS, so on, so forth. I don't know about you, but I hear elements to metal when I listen to "Negative Creep". And why not? I'm not saying Nirvana WAS metal. I'm just saying they had songs that had metal-ness to them.

That's a good example. Well, CURRENT Metallica anyway. The old Metallica was blatant metal as far as I'm concerned.

But like I said:

If you believe it, then why not? I mean, I wouldn't say they are. But I've once heard their early work that was surprisingly much more aggressive and raw than what we now know as the Pink Floyd sound. So given that, I wouldn't be surprised if there were people who made the Floyd-Metal connection. For the record, I still believe Alias is metal. Who says we can't have light metal, right? lol xD

 

Exactly right!

 

Why is that? It's no less surprising than when a genre is focused on love, hedonism and fun. All are strong emotions.

 

Anyone that bashes you for having musical tastes that vary from conventional metal probably doesn't have a proper personal identity as far as music goes. Like metal created itself; it spawned from rock. Rock came along with blues, country, jazz, and the likes.

The Internet...bah. Our people will bash each other for liking other subgroups of metal. I honestly don't give ein shiessen whether you music promotes slitting your own wrist, our slitting someone else's. Don't throw stones just because you are hidden by servers and Ethernet cables.

But the Internet thing is a whole other argument.

Take it easy•

 

It makes me feel better about myself.

While condemning you for your musical choice while at the same time proclaiming how I listen to the grimmest most frosbitten and underground black metal, it elevates me to the top of the hierarchy.

 

Unless you're in a nu metal hierarchy

 

I think Metalcore bands are widely unaccepted by metal elitists probably because they usally have a large following of emo/scene/whatever kids who are viewed as "posers".

I personally don't like it when they act ungreatfull to the founders of heavy metal and only follow talentless screamo bands like Bring me the Horizon.

But i guess I'm just getting into my own opinion here.