So, you want to join a commune?

Lois... I can't even begin to express myself these days about this stuff without getting bitchy about the majority of people...

Regardless of how much land you have, or how many people are currently there... it is your home and as such, you making an offer to let others share it with you is awesome...

The fact that it is so hard to find the right people... well...

Yeah, I'm going to just leave that statement unfinished... I really have no clue how to finish it...

For all the people that are always whining about the way their life is, how much they hate it and want to change... there are very very few who ever do...

I don't understand it... but I do see it...

 

I haven't posted recently, but I do sign on to read posts occasionally. This is one I enjoy reading.

If you ever write a book on this subject, I will either buy it or help you publish it.

Keep yelling bullshit Tom and I will keep reading. Don't take it to your head, your still an asshole. :devil:

 

I forgot to mention why I would buy and promote a book like that. I live in the USA and things are coming to a head.

Young people who once had jobs are moving in with family because of lake of jobs, the price of living is going UP, the media is perpetuating an up and coming stable economy, people are finding themselves in a place were they are trapped, and the word "Commune" is associated with radical associations.

Communes are the normal now but people just don't know it.

 

Yea, we are naturally tribal. Peeps are rooming up and then they will see how the nuclear 'family' is a social engineered scam of the tax man and mercantile establishment. unfortunatly co ops and sharing resources arent tax friendly and opposes the everyone pay their own share 'american dream'. Toll road builders aren't fond of car poolers. Puff, puff pass....

 

Hahaha, I went back and read the original post (again!) and I noticed the last part about "building a machine to dig a hole" (or something along those lines). Is this a personal experience Tom?, cuz if someone told me that I'd have to tell them someone already did, and it's called a backhoe! and they're really expensive! (unless you have really good neighbours that don't mind doing the odd bit of work with theirs in exchange for veggies )
And FT, do you mean that communes are "normal" now, or are the norm? I know all my professors look shocked when I tell them I'm from a commune (though I don't look like much of a hippie, and wouldn't consider myself much of one) I'd like to think we're normalish, just have a bit different way of doing things. Farming with a small group is advantageous because you can do more than what you would with just yourself, but you only need one set of fences, wheelbarrows, shovels, etc. And to be perfectly honest, we're much happier having just the 7 of us who have either grown up there or spent the last 35+ years there than having 25 people and dealing with everyone's problems. I honestly think that humans are social and meant to live in SMALL groups, and that those small groups (be it a family, or a commune) together will form a larger community. However for day to day living, and decision making, smaller is most definently better

 

Not that specific thing, but along those lines yeah... and the worst part of it is that is is based on assumptions that aren't very nice even if they arent meant that way.

If I could afford to buy a backhoe, or rent one, or had some way to borrow or trade for one, I would.... cause I don't like digging holes... So, if I am digging a hole, and someone wants to interrupt that to talk about alternative ways to do it, without waving the money at me to do it, they are seriously going to annoy me...

This is the center of it all... The more people that are sharing the basic tools needed and the basic work needed, the less each has to shoulder. It why frontier families had 26 kids... well that and no electricity in winter left them little else to do besides have sex... lol

 

One can play only so many games of cribbage ...

Also there's just lots of things that even with the aid of some technology (a tractor and rotovator for instance) that are done a lot more efficiently with a few people working together. Like gardening organically! Pesticides are for sissies! Anyone who can weed carrots all day and can be smiling at the end of it is a champion in my opinion! And the fishes in the lakes are safe too! (at least from chemicals, hooks are a different matter )

 

anyone who can weed carrots for an hour and still be smiling is a freakin champion...

 

i am very new at this site and any forum for that matter and have probably overlooked the obvious
where can i find out more about what you are doing cronic tom

quaidlogic@gmail.com

 

http://hipforums.com/newforums/forumdisplay.php?f=613

 

thankyou

 

You're welcome

 

Have you priced fencing, posts, gates,? I'm getting ready to fence around 2 acres to keep critters out of the garden and henhouse and to keep new pups (labs) in. I need around 1800 feet and a couple gates. Having gotten quotes from lumber yards I have found it is going to be cheaper and better quality to have a fence company do it. $1.25 a foot vs. $1.80 if I buy the materials and do it myself. wtf! All I can think of is 'economy of scale'. The fence companies buy the materials in bulk and pass on the savings. Lumbar yards are a rip-off!!!
Greenhouse is heated up and seedlings growing like mad!!!! Fresh veggies!!!!!!

 

If I may interject for a moment here....

exactly how hard is it to set up an intentional community?

 

Not hard at all... look through the other threads... all it takes is wanting to do it...

You go out into the world, take something that isn't yours and use it until it gets taken away and then move onto the next one...

You let everyone join you, even the ones who have nothing to offer (because those are the ones that really count seems the others have something to offer), you don't make any rules, because that would be mean and selfish...

AND MOST importantly... when it all goes to hell, whine about how unfair life is.

Seriously, what kind of stupid ass pills are people taking today?

How hard is it? Well, considering that it all means nothing withoout land... First you have to buy the land... Unless of course you have someone give it to you (ALL OF LIFE IS A BREEZE IF SOMEONE HANDS IT TO YOU).

Then you have to deal with the people who think it means that you are running a flop house for the useless... and those who think that even though they have never done fuck all in their life, that they have the right to tell you how to do it.... then there are those who are just going to try to cause problems because they are whining little bitches who have nothing better to do in life then harrass their betters (yes, I said betters)...

Once you get past that, it all becomes a breeze, after all, food falls magically from the sky... bills pay themselves... the animals just wander in and ask you to look after them, the veggie seeds are teleported into the ground by aliens and the harvest walks itself into storage...

It's days like these that I wish I there was a god so the phrase "god, save me from fools" might actually mean something...

 

I plan to live in Northern Ontario with several ppl for the summer maybe a couple years, but we love the night life of the city, i do anyway, but need a sanctuary i can't stand living with so much government control i love heading out to family farms and cottage's in Norwood, fenelon falls, my Mom and Brother's live in the Kawartha's and i have family in B.C. & all over southern Quebec. The freedom is beautiful but i go nuts if i don't have the comforts of the city & lots of ppl.

 

Was fenelon falls what you meant by northern ontario?

 

Lol, dont be jaded brother. We made it thru another winter!

 

As much as I bitch about the winters here, they really aren't that big of a deal, nor is the work that goes into this place... As I enjoy doing this, its a lot less like work then it is just something else I enjoy doing.

What I find really hard... so hard in fact that this issue alone has done more to convince me to tell everyone else to fuck off and just keep this all to myself... is dealing with people who seem determined to see if they can piss me off.

About the best analogy for all of this that I can think of right now, is one of an author...

Can you image how it feels to write a book, put years worth of effort into it, tweaking the characters, changing plot lines, doing re-write after re-write until you finally get it published... and then having someone wander along, pick it up, read the first page, exclaim how amazing your writing is... then flip to the last page, read it, toss it back down and wander away claiming they didn't like the book?

 

Never lived in a commune, but always thought that everything was voted on and accepted in one accord.

the very term commune seems to indicate that all things,property, labor and even dreams are held in common.

If one person holds the property rights aren't the others only hired laborers?

Have no dog in the fight, just saying.