Should we be trying to help those "black magicians"

By "black magicians" I refer to all the people who go around creating psychic trauma to others...
I know it is partly the "victim's" fault, because everything is co-created in life. However should we try to help them? Everyone has something to teach everyone else, and that black magician came into your life for a reason, they have lessons to learn too. And if they seem to not be getting the lessons, should we give them a push?

 

be careful honey

you might get what you came for

 

You could as well try to help a black hole...

 

Hmm..do you really believe some of them could be completely black magicians? if they have desires for betting anything at all (even if it is just themselves), they must have some light.
Everyone with a soul at some point has preferences.

Damn it.. i have a horribly weak aura and have all sorts of shit happening (and happened) to me. those magicians as well as just dark in form of spirit invading my subconscious.
feel as if i HAVE to help.

 

curious . you phrase it with plurals : we and them . you are addressing something beyond the personal that you feel as
a personal distress .

the only shadowy magicians (plural) i see are mass media thought manipulators .
soooo.... unplug from the news ?

help the children .

these days i like to wear a little bell
round my neck . it rings light . children smile , and my spirit
is strong for them all . my sub-mind is clear . how ? i think
simply as a child and also talk with animals . done gone
universal .

you seem to say black magicians create separateness .

oh ! here's a magic word for you . when i heard it
spoken by a child i asked what it meant . he said it means
'a circle of protection ' . the word is pronounced uh-jee .
this is a word of the children's peace language , which is
a way of language that is not confusing to the sub-mind .
such words are created from first having an understanding ,
and not the other way backasswards .

 

sure! be supportive of Black Magicians. i mean, how can one object to the work this guy is doing? ...

"Name an African-American magician. If you can't, you're not alone. But Walter King, aka "The Spellbinder," is trying to change that.

King, a full-time illusionist magician who runs his magic business out of Oak Park, said that even today many people are surprised to meet a magician of color. Along with performing around the Chicago area (he does large scale stage tricks, including levitation), King has also developed two special shows for schools: an African-American magician history show and a magic show promoting drug awareness for schools.

During his history show, King performs magic tricks from classic African-American magicians, and teaches the students about the history of those magicians. The show has become an attraction for many schools, and some even use it as part of their black history month curriculum."

http://www.oakpark.com/News/Article...ican_illusionist_mixes_history_with_his_magic

 

Dormouse, I had the same thought as you when I first saw the title of the thread - and then laughed, cuz I figured that wasn't really what she meant. Note her definition: "By 'black magicians' I refer to all the people who go around creating psychic trauma to others..."

And I'm really not sure what to think about this. I think I'd need some specific examples of the kinds of things you perceive these black magicians doing.

 

hehehe! i know. i was just teasing the OP. i imagine that it's "black magicians" who are running the world government(s). just look at the huge messes they blithely make grabbing power for the sake of power grabbing. their need to secure their egos with power causes me to pity them somewhat. it's pathetic how needy they are. they're the neediest creatures on planet earth.

 

We had one in our family for 10 years. Psychic soul sucker supreme. She was/is a liar,a thief, a downer addict and subject to completely unconrolled mood swings.I also had a step mother that was the same way ,except for the drugs. Distance is about only the cure for yourself from the damage they can inflict. There are too many people in this world to fool around with the soul-suckers that go thru life sucking the soul right out of every situation in which they are involved.. Some people never change and will destroy any relationship they come into contact with. Early detection and avoidance is the best favor you can do for yourself when it comes to purposely disruptive people. I didn't have much say in ridding our family of the destructive person,but my son did---and he finally saw the light.

 

You are always going to run into someone like this. Whether in your family, circle of friends, workplace. I say don't play...

 

Hmmm if what Scratcho is talking about is a "black magician," then I would say that I've been one. And people have "helped" me - and still are - and now I find myself "helping" other people. Seems to me that if you're really not in some way a soul-sucker yourself you can't help "helping" soul-suckers, cuz it just comes naturally.

The way you help them is to call them on their games and refuse to engage. You do this as kindly and objectively as possible, but firmly. And if it continues, you set expectations of what kind of behavior you'll accept and support. And if there's no progress after some repetition of this pattern, you tell them it just can't continue, and you ease them out of your life - if possible. If it isn't possible...then you learn more lessons yourself.

And also btw, the process of learning how not to suck souls can be intensified and accelerated by having a telepathic spirit guide who treats you like shit. I could hire out Deanna, if anybody is interested...

btw: Nice to see you again, windy.

 

Well said Zen...nice to see YOU...missed this place.

 

I was on her band wagon for 10 years and was the last one to get off when she stole my pain meds after an operation,(and I was hurting) had me run her around to sell jewelry she "inherited" from a grand mother(stolen)--stole a wedding ring from her supposed best friend that her best friends dead husband gave her---on and on--there's a limit and I reached it after 10 fuckin' years. If it had been up to me,it would have been sooner,but being as she's the mother of my beloved grand child---I tried and tried to help her,but it took my son to finally realize that it was futile and she needed gone. I hurt for him almost all those 10 years.Some people are just seemingly destined to live a crummy life and live to bring others down.

 

I think Zen said it really. If you think you're tough enough to be a friend and not react, then sure, but there is no obligation to and charity isn't always helpful. Often you can help them by simply letting go of them and moving on to live your own life choosing what is good for you.

Hiya Windy! What a nice surprise! Hope you're well. - I love that quote about Providence

 

Hey Liquidlight! How are ya!

 

That's a tough case, all righty, cuz you've got another person whose responsibility it REALLY is who is enabling this behavior, plus your granddaughter is a hostage. So in this case, YOU got to learn some lessons...as did your son, whose spiritual growth was the primary target of the situation.

Reminds me a bit of my stepdaughter's teen years, when our family issues were a regular item on the local police force's daily meeting agenda. The police said they'd never encountered anybody with a mouth like hers. Nobody would help us more than just fleetingly. We had no choice - we had to live with her somehow. And we got through it, and after a year in the state hospital and a year or so in a group home, she's now a lovely, highly medicated person.

And damn, it's almost like old times with liquid and windy BOTH making simultaneous reappearances!

 

Perhaps it would have been more appropriate if she had used the term African-American magicians

It is said that Harry Houdini learned some of his greatest feats from African-American magicians who were barred from performing because of their race.:2thumbsup:



Hotwater

 

ya it's a little different when the person is in your family and really you can't walk away. You're playin' whether you like it or not. My neice is manic depressive and the whole family went through hell until they found the right drug and dose that worked for her. Keeping her on it was another story. She was also hospitalized quite a few times.
Funny, as with alot of people with a mental illness she had this incredible psychic gift that went along with it. The drugs dull it though.

And ya Zen, it's great to be back on. Finally got a new computer. :sunny:

 

Of course we should help them! Don't be like Mr. Sebastian

 

I'm straying a little from the original topic but sometimes I wonder with people that are manic or schizophrenic if the doorway between worlds somehow opened up. Maybe they are just getting bombarded with EVERYTHING. Just a thought.