was jim morrison more than mortal human?

He was human of course and also a very talented man. He is my favorite poet and male singer.

 

Shameless-You got it right on the money!-------Jim Morrison was a man.. nothing more, nothing any more supernatural then what we all possess.. not to burst your bubble, but when ppl saw him walking (stumbling) down Haight Street with his buddies, they would cross to the otherside of the street as to not have to deal with his baligerence.. he thought himself a God perhaps, but he was flesh and bone like the rest of us Jim Morrison was a man.. nothing more, nothing any more supernatural then what we all possess..-----Did you see him in concert?-I saw him maybe 4 times in the bay area.Now' at that time-66 I believe or 7-the bands we had in San Francisco were all so much better then anything coming out of LA-which' is like the competition in California-Northern vs. Southern rock-When I first saw the Doors it was at Winterland in San Francisco and they had just put out their first album with Light My Fire ' Break On Through-(as in needle through skin)-The End which is very disturbing-"Mother'yes son' I want to do you"-Shameless-when you say he took the dark path you are 100% right-he was real hard to listen to on acid-very moody and scary at times. He was an audio version of Halloween or some slasher flick-He didn't "love" women-he used women-he presented this attitude that was SO stinking ego maniac in it's nature that he considered himself a rock God. He was a spoiled kid growing up and he was a kid on stage. He acted stupid-He taunted and ridiculed the audience and spat at and cussed at the people down front. He whipped his pecker out at a few shows and got busted for it.
He was drunk and too high to sing or go on many times. The Doors show was so unpredictable and unprofessional that it nearly caused riots many times when Jim baby decided to just walk off in the middle of the show.
When he played Winterland me and my friends wanted to hear the band as the album was real good-kinda wierd lyrics at times but good music.He was on the same bill with a couple of the local groups like the Grateful Dead or Big Brother and The HoldingCo. so he was a Southern Cal rock star wanna be up against the SF heavys and he was just OK-Nothing to write home about.The audience got into their hit song Light My Fire but then was lost in The End-Too long and rambling.
Morrison had a huge out of control ego-He wanted to be the new Mick Jagger' but there is only one Mick-Jim took himself way to serious and was really in love with himself way to much. He was a super hard core druggie and was slammin the heroin when we were all smokin pot and eating Owsley-He was on a completely different wave length-
In 66 and 67 -the music and concerts were about LSD not smack or speed-The acid was very powerful and it made for a great time-But to look at the Jim Morrison ego show while tripping your brains out on some very colorful and fantastic Owsley acid with about 300 other people also high on the same thing-well-you were either on the bus or you were'nt-Jim was a junkie with attitude-nothing more-nothing special or magical-now Jimi Hendrix on the other hand WAS magical-and he kept his ego under control and had a good time -when he played' he smiled and joked and did not take himself real serious-he always had a look like the cat that swallowed the canary-like he had a private joke and we all knew the punch line-Jimi was not only great to hear but fun to watch-He played WITH the audience' not FOR the audience-He was the same as you or me-no better-no worse which made for a really mellow night of ear shattering guitar magic.-Jimi was REAL!-Nothing fake or phony-Jim was IMO a phony.-sorry-

 

Shobs, you might be interested in reading some of Patricia Kennealy-Morrison's stuff. She has a website, I think it's www.lizardqueen.com, but if you google her I'm sure you'd find it. She was married to Jim in a Wiccan handfasting ritual.

 

Thank you! I don't care what other think of him, I love him and that is what counts as far as I am concerned. I love the way he looked, the way he spoke and sang....and wrote. No person on this planet is one sided, he could be charming and he could be beligerant too, big deal.

He did'nt die from injecting heroin, the mode of his exit from this world is all speculation and conjecture, the only person who was with him was Pamela and whatever the truth (if she did'nt in fact tell it at the time) she took it to her grave.

 

Thats cool-If you like his stuff-thats all that matters-Nice car!-Lets go cruisin down the English coastline!

 

I guess it's one of those Hadda be there type things.. Rob. ppl just don't understand the way it was.. they romanticise it till it is nothing but a fairy tale and turned a madman into a hero..sigh.. when will they ever learn.. oh when will they ever learn..

 

I suppose the doors reached a certian level of depression that everyone feels from time to time... appealing to the darker side of human nature in all of us.

I prefered Lennon, John Sabastion, Jonie Mitichel, CCR, Dead and those with a positive message and uplifting, love n light music opposed to doom and destruction.. there was enough of that with johnson, nixon and reagen raining death and hellfire down on the Hippies. Living it and watching it on TV draw two very different viewpoints.

sh

 

Exactly-we had plenty of REAL violence going on and plenty of REAL people getting killed every day on the tv. We needed music to dance to and lose the war for a while. It was the same way in WW2- the people then used happy music to get away from the death and destruction of the war. It's needed-we can't hear about death every day without a break; ya go nuts.
The bands of San Francisco were just right as far as lifting us out of gloom. Watching Janis jump up and down all night and watching Jerry Garcia and the Dead or Quicksilver play was always great!-None of any of thoses bands or the Airplane ever had real heavy moody stuff. Morrison did not do well in Northern Cal.-Some of his songs were good but too much on the heavy druggie sound.-I used to really like the group LOVE-another LA band but they also had some heavy moody drug songs. One LA band that could always get a party going was Canned Heat!

 

no

 

The End is when he broke up with his HS girl friend..it's really not all that hard to figure out..The Snake is the vien he shot his heroin into.

I prefer Stichen's concepts on Aunaki to Iches version, with Inki as our 'God'.. I find Iche a bit too surpremist for my taste. not to sway off topic.

sh

 

excellently put.

 

He's some where in between mortal and immortal.

He was human, A brilliant human, By far one the best and overlooked writers. He may of been a drunk guy taking too many drugs, but he was smart as hell. He did die so that says he wasn't immortal.

His legacy, On the other hand, is completely Immortal. It will live on forever. That's for sure.

 

I'm thinking more like was he mortal or less than..

 

He's dead... proof positive he was mortal...

Was he a genius? Fuck no... He did have creative moments, unfortunately, he destroyed himself and so ENDED his creativity.

And to be clear... I like their music... quite a lot in fact...

But jim? He was a fucked up individual who made his choices, some of which gave us some pretty cool songs, most of which led to his death.

 

can u plz show me what makes u think he is so great? plz show me so i can see where ur comin' from

 

We all idolize something in retardedness when we're in our teens.

 

Not true.Jim was a HELL OF ALOT more than looks and charisma.If you new anything about him you'd know he was a true original.He may have been INSPIRED by other poets but he never PLAGARIZED them.

 

Have you ever really read any of his lyrics or poems? That's how he was great. He said things in a different way, an utterly confusing, Yet completley understandable way.

 

I think Jim was just a singer and artist who inspired a lot of ppl. He had a tough upgrowing with a father who was in the military and who was probably very dominant and disiplined in the way he raised his kids. Jim's way of behaving was just a revolt against his father and he continued it later through life since it had become a part of his system. All the stuff he wrote about in his songs was just his way of dealing with his inner demons. Did he write some great stuff, yes. Did he write some lousy stuff, yes.

I think Jim was really insecure and hurt deep down inside and tried to cover this all up with his behaviour so he didn't have to feel it. Probably the same reason why he went into drinking and drugs, just run away from your inner feelings. At one point he wanted to stop with the Doors and bail out. Ray Manzarek however talked him into staying. Somehow he wasn't able to stand up against Ray Manzerek and just call it quits and as a result Jim degenerated even more and on December 12, 1970, Morrison apparently had a breakdown on stage. sat down and refused to perform for the remainder of the show. After this happend the Doors stopped performing live cause i think Jim wasn't able to do it anymore (physically and mentally). He burned himself out.

Many people have tough and hard upgrowings with parents that have outrageous ways of punishing their kids or parents who are very hard on their kids. And while growing up they develop a certain kind of behaviour to cope with it all. Jim was no exception, the only difference is that he also became a singer for one of the best known rockbands, basically giving him a stage to act out.
And as so many others before him his flee into drugs and drinking at the end destroyed his creativity, his libido and his mood (he became depressed).
It's a shame cause their are also enough stories about how kind and gentle he was to ppl when he was not drinking or doing drugs.