This is a new relationship, :love: very important to both of us as we are both 57 and want to feel we are creating a lasting, probably last love relationship. Obviously we are both close to our second Saturn return. I am just out of a 30 year marriage (divorced Nov '08) and he is as well (Divorced July '09). We are feeling intensely attracted and a strong 'meant to be' that is causing us both to waver due to feeling out of control and over whelmed, when we are both practical and responsible types. It's been almost two months so is coming to a time when we will decide to 'fish or cut bait'. Any insights are very much appreciated. I can not concentrate or find my ground and that is very difficult for me, being in a major life transition as it is, this is doing a major number on my head! Thanks, Garnet / Janet Richard (male) born on 24 Dec 1953 local time 7:13 pm in Richlands, VA (US) U.T. 00+13 81w48, 37n06 sid. time 00:58:41 PLANETARY POSITIONS planet sign degree Sun Capricorn 2°54'54 in house 6 Moon Leo 27°20'34 in house 2 Mercury Sagittarius 21°12'47 in house 5 Venus Sagittarius 24°18'11 in house 5 Mars Scorpio 2°43'58 in house 4 Jupiter Gemini 19°53'10 in house 11 Saturn Scorpio 6°55'10 in house 4 Uranus Cancer 21°49'04 in house 12 Neptune Libra 25°44'52 in house 4 Pluto Leo 24°49'46 in house 2 True Node Capricorn 24°05'45 in house 6 HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus) Ascendant Cancer 28°51'54 2nd House Leo 19°57'37 3rd House Virgo 14°58'42 Imum Coeli Libra 15°55'33 5th House Scorpio 21°54'08 6th House Sagittarius 27°38'03 Descendant Capricorn 28°51'54 8th House Aquarius 19°57'37 9th House Pisces 14°58'42 Medium Coeli Aries 15°55'33 11th House Taurus 21°54'08 12th House Gemini 27°38'03 and Janet (female) born on 13 Jan 1954 local time 9:45 pm in Bethesda, MD (US) U.T. 02+45 77w06, 38n59 sid. time 05:08:45 PLANETARY POSITIONS planet sign degree Sun Capricorn 23°24'28 in house 5 Moon Taurus 20°51'38 in house 9 Mercury Capricorn 22°59'29 in house 5 Venus Capricorn 19°35'54 in house 4 Mars Scorpio 14°41'23 end of house 2 Jupiter Gemini 17°38'59 end of house 9 Saturn Scorpio 8°21'13 in house 2 Uranus Cancer 20°57'46 end of house 10 Neptune Libra 26°00'47 in house 2 Pluto Leo 24°29'21 in house 12 True Node Capricorn 24°00'23 in house 5 Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house. HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus) Ascendant Virgo 19°40'09 2nd House Libra 15°09'03 3rd House Scorpio 15°04'17 Imum Coeli Sagittarius 18°12'51 5th House Capricorn 21°41'57 6th House Aquarius 22°35'17 Descendant Pisces 19°40'09 8th House Aries 15°09'03 9th House Taurus 15°04'17 Medium Coeli Gemini 18°12'51 11th House Cancer 21°41'57 12th House Leo 22°35'17 Composite Horoscope midpoint method PLANETARY POSITIONS planet sign degree Sun Capricorn 13°09'41 in house 5 Moon Cancer 9°06'06 in house 11 Mercury Capricorn 7°06'08 in house 5 Venus Capricorn 6°57'02 in house 5 Mars Scorpio 8°42'40 in house 3 Jupiter Gemini 18°46'04 in house 10 Saturn Scorpio 7°38'11 in house 3 Uranus Cancer 21°23'25 in house 11 Neptune Libra 25°52'49 in house 3 Pluto Leo 24°39'34 in house 1 True Node Capricorn 24°03'04 end of house 5 Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house. HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus) Ascendant Leo 24°16'01 2nd House Virgo 17°33'20 3rd House Libra 15°01'29 Imum Coeli Scorpio 17°04'12 5th House Sagittarius 21°48'03 6th House Capricorn 25°06'40 Descendant Aquarius 24°16'01 8th House Pisces 17°33'20 9th House Aries 15°01'29 Medium Coeli Taurus 17°04'12 11th House Gemini 21°48'03 12th House Cancer 25°06'40
Yes, I trust a little to astrology, but better for both of us, to tells everything honestly and to go on..>GOOD LUCK!
I've always said that people with any Signs can get along as long as their life experiences give them some foundation to enjoy life from - you have to have stuff in common, something you both connect with or you will slowly drift back apart. I also look at three strong areas that we interrelate with: our Rising, Moon and Sun Signs and the traits from Signs 10 degrees or less off the Cusp. Richard is 28 Deg Cancer Rising, 27 Deg Leo Moon and 2 Deg Capricorn Sun. So using Cusps Richard has a: Can/Leo ASC, Leo/Vir Moon, Cap/Sag Sun. Lots of Fire in his main Signs. Janet has: Vir ASC, Tau Moon, Cap/Aqu Sun. Lots of Earth. The questions to ask are - will he be able to spend lots of time at home (on the Earth) or will he need to be on the go, after some new adventure his Fire drives him to explore and will he be patient enough to give you time to recharge in the comfort of your home? If you can both understand these needs then you might make it. His nurturing Cancer Rising is overshadowed by Leo on the Cusp, lots of passion and caring for family and friends (and You). But that can only go so far, he still has his needs to be admired by his followers. Another thing to consider is that at this stage in life both of you have lost many of the strong needs from the Self side of you (your Rising Signs), which leaves you both living more through the mature, Objective traits we all get from our Sun Signs. If the needs of your Rising Signs have been satisfied then you should be able to enjoy your time together as two kindred Capricorns, responsibly making the union work from this point on. Of course his Sun does have the influence from the cusp from Sagittarius. But your unconventional Aquarius cusp should be able to handle any adventure his Sag can bring your way, as long as the rest of you gets time to recharge and reconnect with the Earth. Does that make any sense?
He actually spends a lot of time at home, we both would rather cook at home than eat out. He has told me that he has always been a lone wolf, had a terrible time at a young age due to a violent father who beat up on his mother and was very abusive to other people, his mother divorced when he was four and had a series of marriages that left him with some deep scars and poor impressions of her values where men are concerned. He wants to wait on meeting my close friends and family, until we are more stable, being that we have only known each other two months. He is cautious about any relationship at this point in his life and seems over whelmed by his deep attraction to me, his last one ended in divorce. He says he did not want to marry her, but his mother and his ex-wife pushed him into it. Sounds to me like he married her out of a sense honor and wanting it to be the right and last relationship, but he missed the mark and picked the wrong person. The way we met was very fated, and not all a normal or accidental occurrence. There were intense energies drawing us together and these first two months have been a little hard for either of us to feel in control or even in perspective. He says after two months, if we last longer than that, then it is not infatuation but until then no one can tell the difference. I think this is true in a way, a biological mechanism to encourage early relationships to keep together long enough to find out if there is true compatibility before tucking tail and running from possible deep hurt. We are both very sensitive and very wounded being children of the 50's when there was so much abuse and violence toward children and women. We are at the two month mark in a week, so I am feeling a little trepidation wondering if he will somehow sabotage what is to me a very strong attraction and a sense that we have great potential. I had a vision the day I first saw his photo on line, much of which has already come to pass, the rest was a sense that we would have the potential for long term stability. This makes sense. He does care but is showy about it, makes a point of treating me well in more or less grand ways, but misses the little tender things that go such a long way on a daily basis. Of course it is still early days and I only see him on weekends, after spending an intense first week together almost every evening we established that weekends were more reasonable so that we are both able to keep our energy up for work, although I often work on Friday nights, and Saturday or Sunday afternoons due to my schedule. He cooks for me on those days, which is nice. And has only recently even mentioned me cooking for him. So he does want to "treat" me and often suggests shopping but I am not a shopper and do not want more "stuff". His ex had to have a $50 bottle of wine every weekend and a $150 bottle of champagne at least once a month. That is not me at all. I am just the opposite and although I enjoy fine things and an occasional extravagance I am much more practical and down to earth. He is also recovering from prostate surgery (Dec '10), and although all nerves were spared he still has fatigue and it may take 2-12 months for full function to return in the bedroom, so that has been a delicate issue to deal with in a new relationship and fortunate that we are both able to be fairly frank with each other, being that at 57 we know ourselves pretty well and are both Mars in Scorpio so very intense sexually. Someone also told me that Capricorn is the most intensely sexual sign and that as intellectuals (we both have high IQs and are educated, although he is more self and I have degrees) we have a tendency to jump from the root Chakra to the Crown and skip the heart. I have worked many years to open my heart chakra and feel that I am soft hearted but had reasons to shut down from early childhood trauma. I am also a healer and holistic health consultant, with a degree in drug research, which he finds a bit too much when I suggest things, so I wait until he asks. It's interesting to be both healer and love interest, but truly more a challenge than a fun interest, because I have to hold back as the love interest from what I would more strongly suggest were I only acting as a consultant. He would never have asked a holistic consultant for advice, he would do his own reading and find studies to support any vitamins or supplements and so far he has found some good ones but is not doing as much as he really could be doing for himself nutritionally. He has cut way back on alcohol, as it is interfering with his consciousness and presence around me, and he knows he does not need it now that he is not alone or in a dysfunctional end-game any longer, as the last years of his marriage were. I don't drink much but will drink some with him, however he asked me if I thought he was alcoholic and then announced a week later that he had cut way back. So much that I warned him not to be too restrictive as he would go into withdrawal, so to take it slow. He is working hard to improve his short comings, but still has many insecurities and moments of being unconscious that his sarcasm is hurtful. I practice presence and just allow it, without judging and it blows him away that I am so accepting and not reactionary. I have explicitly explained the practice of Presence, but most people do not get it from an explanation, only by doing it and feeling it. I am shifting him, and even gave him a 10 M Silicea constitutional remedy, he is a true Silicea type, which is very rare in a man. It makes a great deal of sense. I am very adventurous and have accepted work on the road recently which I love, as long as I have my weekends with him and phone calls to touch base during the week. I have read that he has a conflict between his Sun and Moon, making him of two minds, sensitive and caring on the one hand and self centered on the other. He even admits to feeling pulled in two directions at times. One to care deeply about others and the other to look out more for himself. He is a poet and writer, was a photographer professionally for many years and is now pursuing a hobby in gold photography, that may turn into income, he is also a tech writer and an ADA section 508 (?) compliance advisor to non-profits regarding website accessibility issues for the disabled. So he is looking out for the less fortunate even in his work. I appreciate your insights on the cusp issues, that really makes a lot of sense. What do you think of us both having Virgo Rising? I wonder if that is why we are so similar in our tastes and values, that and our Cap suns. Thanks!! Janet:2thumbsup:
Our3minds that was a brilliant explaination! I know a fair bit about astrology but nothing like the explaination you just gave. Well done. Ps i'd like to pick your brain on about something but i cant private message you... bummer.
Actually from what you posted he has a Can/Leo for his Rising. Your Virgo Rising has strong feelings (sensitivities) about the connections between people and His Cancer is similar in that it is sensitive to the needs of others, so that is a good fit. Beyond what I have said only you can know the depth of this mans heart so if you feel comfortable with him so far then keep expanding the relationship as you feel fit. Once the "honeymoon" stage of the relationship is over and you've known him for a while then you should be able to know him well enough to know what to do for your future together.
I posted a new thread in here in the hopes that you might be able to help me understand some astrology things (i didn't want to hijack this one)..
If you want you could e-mail me @ admin@our3minds.com Also go to our3minds.com to see how I believe we should look at Astrology.
Yes, my mistake, I was reading the Leo/ Virgo Moon as his Rising. And yes we are both similarly concerned about the welfare of others. I am looking for insight into the conflict between his Sun and Moon I guess it was and not his rising. It is Leo that concerns me as I have never gotten on well with most Leos that I have known, they seem so egotistical and need so much admiration, not that we all do not need it but somehow it seems to be at the cost of someone else, too often.
Richard = Can/Leo ASC, Leo/Vir Moon, Cap/Sag Sun. I too have trouble with Leo's. It's the nature of Earth and Water to be Sensitive to Fire and Air. (yin/Yang, Male/Female) Maybe since you know its there you might be able to "spot" it when it shows its nature. See how he reacts to others when he is not getting treated as royally as he expects, that's one way to see how intense his Fire is. Also my experience with the Mix of Leo/Vir is that they may have a stronger need have the Lions Den kept more perfect. All of his character depends on if he was "wounded" as a child. If he didn't have many struggles with others as he was growing up then his Fire may not have much to prove, it may be softened. It also depends on how much of the Cancer, Virgo, and Capricorn traits he has developed. Yin or Yang. Either way he's got a choice to present his nurturing Cancer or his Kingly Leo. Good Luck.
You seriously couldn't make that look prettier? I was going to help you but nuh-uh! no way... not reading that like that.
It doesn't have to LOOK pretty, whatever you mean by "pretty". But I suppose you're referring to the chart? In that case, HERE YOU GO. Richard (male) born on 24 Dec 1953 local time 7:13 pm in Richlands, VA (US) U.T. 00+13 81w48, 37n06 sid. time 00:58:41 PLANETARY POSITIONS planet sign degree Sun Capricorn 2°54'54 in house 6 Moon Leo 27°20'34 in house 2 Mercury Sagittarius 21°12'47 in house 5 Venus Sagittarius 24°18'11 in house 5 Mars Scorpio 2°43'58 in house 4 Jupiter Gemini 19°53'10 in house 11 Saturn Scorpio 6°55'10 in house 4 Uranus Cancer 21°49'04 in house 12 Neptune Libra 25°44'52 in house 4 Pluto Leo 24°49'46 in house 2 True Node Capricorn 24°05'45 in house 6 HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus) Ascendant Cancer 28°51'54 2nd House Leo 19°57'37 3rd House Virgo 14°58'42 Imum Coeli Libra 15°55'33 5th House Scorpio 21°54'08 6th House Sagittarius 27°38'03 Descendant Capricorn 28°51'54 8th House Aquarius 19°57'37 9th House Pisces 14°58'42 Medium Coeli Aries 15°55'33 11th House Taurus 21°54'08 12th House Gemini 27°38'03 Janet (female) born on 13 Jan 1954 local time 9:45 pm in Bethesda, MD (US) U.T. 02+45 77w06, 38n59 sid. time 05:08:45 PLANETARY POSITIONS planet sign degree Sun Capricorn 23°24'28 in house 5 Moon Taurus 20°51'38 in house 9 Mercury Capricorn 22°59'29 in house 5 Venus Capricorn 19°35'54 in house 4 Mars Scorpio 14°41'23 end of house 2 Jupiter Gemini 17°38'59 end of house 9 Saturn Scorpio 8°21'13 in house 2 Uranus Cancer 20°57'46 end of house 10 Neptune Libra 26°00'47 in house 2 Pluto Leo 24°29'21 in house 12 True Node Capricorn 24°00'23 in house 5 Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house. HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus) Ascendant Virgo 19°40'09 2nd House Libra 15°09'03 3rd House Scorpio 15°04'17 Imum Coeli Sagittarius 18°12'51 5th House Capricorn 21°41'57 6th House Aquarius 22°35'17 Descendant Pisces 19°40'09 8th House Aries 15°09'03 9th House Taurus 15°04'17 Medium Coeli Gemini 18°12'51 11th House Cancer 21°41'57 12th House Leo 22°35'17 Composite Horoscope midpoint method PLANETARY POSITIONS planet sign degree Sun Capricorn 13°09'41 in house 5 Moon Cancer 9°06'06 in house 11 Mercury Capricorn 7°06'08 in house 5 Venus Capricorn 6°57'02 in house 5 Mars Scorpio 8°42'40 in house 3 Jupiter Gemini 18°46'04 in house 10 Saturn Scorpio 7°38'11 in house 3 Uranus Cancer 21°23'25 in house 11 Neptune Libra 25°52'49 in house 3 Pluto Leo 24°39'34 in house 1 True Node Capricorn 24°03'04 end of house 5 Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house. HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus) Ascendant Leo 24°16'01 2nd House Virgo 17°33'20 3rd House Libra 15°01'29 Imum Coeli Scorpio 17°04'12 5th House Sagittarius 21°48'03 6th House Capricorn 25°06'40 Descendant Aquarius 24°16'01 8th House Pisces 17°33'20 9th House Aries 15°01'29 Medium Coeli Taurus 17°04'12 11th House Gemini 21°48'03 12th House Cancer 25°06'40 NOW, HELP THE OP if you were going to help them. If not, I suggest you keep your abusive, disrespectful, negative mouth shut. Free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever the fuck you can say. You still need to show respect to others while expressing your views. If you can't handle that, then don't say anything.
You're right, it isn't. And I AM sorry I had to lose my temper there... But that person Telepath has been posting all kinds of rather close minded nonsense in various sections of this website. I just felt the OP deserved way more respect than that from Telepath. My apologies, though. I should have been a little calmer when I made my previous post. Although, I'm afraid I DID mean every word I said... Peace
I don't know why you seem to have it in for Telepath. If you reread what was said - it was written from a positive slant, like I did a good job of explaining the situation with my post. That's all I see there. As far as your apology - it was almost heartfelt until you say "I'm afraid I DID mean every word I said". Come on, how much hate can a person have for someone else they don't even know. I'm guessing your anger goes way beyond Telepath, to some other problem that you having with many people, anger that is deflected here by the way you responded to this post and others.
Complete misunderstanding. I interpreted what she said as something she directed toward the OP. That's why I altered the look of the chart a little bit so that it looked a little neater. But if she actually said that in reply to YOUR post, then I stand corrected. The reason why I reacted the way I did to her post was because, like I said before, I've been witnessing her making all kinds of rather aggressive, hostile comments on here. I'm not the only one who has been bothered by the aggressive nature of her posts. But I've also noticed she's since been fairly pleasant to others on here. I suppose I jumped to a conclusion assuming she was replying to the OP instead of you. I should have asked her who she was replying to before I made that comment. My apologies.
