LSD has changed the way I view life.. In a beautiful way

lol . . . that guy went in the real kinky forum and called everyone a bunch of pervs i think he has hurt feelings from this site

and you have NOT experienced what we all have experienced. That is the whole bloody point! How do I KNOW you have not experienced what I have experienced? Because you have never taken a psychedelic. Just like you can say that you have an idea of what it's like to be on cocaine because you've been naturally hyper before, does not mean that you know what cocaine is ACTUALLY like until you try it.

 

okay that makes sense. but the way others were talking to me hurt my feelings, i felt like they were putting me down as if my experiences were invalid... and i didn't realize i was on a kinky forum, i just hit 'new posts' and that body shot thread popped up.

 

I certainly don't mean to belittle you, I could never be your measure. What I have said I share with you and now it is yours also. My observations are about the common experiences of people, not things that you cannot also access.

 

haha im not tryna put u down man.. im just saying.. u dnt knw what u get out of LSD dude and ur trying to say uve gotten the same exact thing out of sobriety that we have gotten out of LSD.. and that just isn't true.. u probably are very motivated and realize that you have complete control.. and that is a great great thing.. but u jst haven't had the same experience that us LSD users have had.. it is not a bad thing at all.. u just have not taken LSD.. simple as that :sunny:

 

With what _thedope meant about you being less experienced by not having dropped acid is similar to if someone told you that you're less experienced for not having climbed Mount Everest. That doesn't mean you're stupid or inferior. It just means there's this really extreme state of mind or human activity that you haven't been through. That's all. There might, very well, be things you've been through that none of us have been through that's really life changing. Whatever that might be, whether its going to outerspace, the ocean floor, or becoming an accomplished pianist or mathematician or whatever, it could be something that would set your body of life experience, in that given field, beyond our own. I don't think taking LSD is for everyone, but I think its legitimate if done by the right people in the right context. Not pursuing psychonautical exploration (or just using it therapeutically) doesn't make you any less of a person any more than not being an astrophysicist or a great mother or an awesome school teacher makes anyone else any less valid of an individual. We all have paths that suit our our personalities and abilities, and all that matters is that we flourish to our full potential as individuals and help foster that in one another.

 

Hey look, OP figured out what the rest of us saw clearly when we where like 12, many many years before dosing psychedelics.

 

I wouldn't really make that over-generalization. A lot of people are taught that they're entirely controlled by their environment, either through circumstances or up bringing. I wouldn't assume that everyone has this figured out by 12. Some people can be so much in the shit that it takes an LSD trip to break them from their old habits. The guy who founded AA was a hardcore alcoholic, who felt trapped by his habits, and he quit after receiving clinical LSD therapy in the 50's. We can be trapped by our behavior patterns, and I can understand why some people would become fatalistic and hopeless about it. Changing basic behavior can be an extremely difficult process as, and I'm sure everyone does knows this. It takes a lot of mental energy to do it.

There's a reason why Native Americans tool psychedelics in their rituals, people who lived in rain forests and wild plains where there were plenty of natural predators. There isn't much room for superfluous practices in that way of life, because anything that's a distraction could result in being mauled by bear or stepping on a poisonous snake. If psychedelics were completely invaluable, they wouldn't have been as widespread as they have been among aboriginal hunter gatherers.

 

I suppose this is true.

But generally if you don't figure this out pretty quick, you're destined to become a fascist pig.

Of course, I see the value that psychedelics have in showing people this sort of thing, and that is one of the reasons that I think doses should be free to all. But great personal discovery as it may be, him telling a bunch of people on the internet who already know this stuff won't help, the only people telling this to will help are currently both ignorant and on acid, and if these ignorant people take acid it can be assumed they're with people who will tell them these things.

 

Get back to us in 2 weeks and let us know if your life is still changed

 

Yah, people can end up blaming everything else but their selves if they don't get this down.

Yah, I think I see what you're saying. He's trying to explain something that really can't be fully explained. He's saying things about self determinism that are really common sense, that's not really an alien sentiment to any culture, at least to some superficial extent. Even if he already knew all this before hand, I'm sure whats significant is that the experience reinforced his sense of self destiny.

To just about anyone, what he says will probably just come off as stating the obvious. When you're on any psychedelic, your basic assumptions about things get challenged, though, and if you subconsciously don't feel in control of yourself (even if you'd tell someone at any other time that you feel in control because its the socially accepted thing to say) it can bite you in the ass. Its kind of like tripping 101 what he's saying. That's why its good to be around experienced people that will re-phraze this all out while you're tripping like you noted. I'm glad he/she's gained a more positive outlook though.

I agree that telling an ignorant fascist all this would just all go over their head if they were in their typical state of mind.

 

gosh, my point exactly.. u think because i didn't truly figure this out until dropping LSD that i am going to become a 'facist pig' and anyone who doesn't figure this out will become one as well.. but it does not matter what you think at ALL.. i could not give less of a fuck what you have to say about me just learning this.. it is not going to affect how successful i end up in life in any way, any shape, or any form. That is exactly what LSD taught me.. no offense to you.. im not saying what you said is a bad thing.. because that is your opinion... i cannot change what you think.. but it does not matter what you say.. at all.. u making it look like everyone else is so much smarter than me because you guys 'clearly saw it when you where 12' does not mean shit.. and does not in any way make you smarter or better than me.. LSD just helps you look past all the little things that don't really matter.. critics, doubt.. things that just do not matter.. and im telling you what it helps you out in everyday life so damn much

 

Calm ya'self.

I'm a bit brutal, just how it is.

I didn't say anything bad about LSD, it's a wonderful drug and has helped me. But it only helps you do what you can do anyway. Keep that in mind. LSD didn't show you anything, it helped you show yourself.

 

Yeah you're right.. And I know that... It obviously didn't create anything new in my life.. and that is not what I was implying.. it just helped me realize what life really is and that critics, doubters, and non-believers don't mean shit.. Which I would say is a wonderful thing.

 

Yeah, haha, when you posted like that on my threads a couple times I took it as a personal attack, but now I see that's who you are.

Anyway, I guess I have to wait a little longer between trips. I have tripped 4 times two weeks between each, and my last one yesterday didn't really change anything in me, I didn't learn anything. Maybe I haven't fully learned the lessons of the previous trip before that.

 

I have done a lot, and I mean a lot of drugs, and with the exception of weed, psychedelics are the only so called "drugs" that I myself feel have changed me, my mindset, beliefs, and life in such a positive way, mainly LSD, because of LSD I am who I am, a better person in every aspect of me. It truly is a beautiful thing, In my opinion anyways, but i completely respect the opinion of anyone thinking otherwise, it just dont make sense how they could think that, except because to them it is unknown

 

"life's a roller coaster enjoy the ride" ---- "you control where you end up completely no matter what" the cliches aren't adding up..... So what happens when you do drugs get straight As, have a successful job, then your wife leaves you for another man, or wait lets say you don't do drugs and then the same happens. Control is the illusion that tricks you into thinking that where you end up matters Life is an acid trip, beautiful beyond measure despite what happens. There is a reason why the value judgments of "good" and "bad" drop away during a strong trip because they are an illusion. Your wife cheating on you is metaphysically no different than your current promotion in your career. experience is all that matters not whether it is "good" or "bad." Worry, regret these are the poisons of giving "yourself" the credit for everything - just be - doesn't matter how you end up.

“I can't control my destiny, I trust my soul, my only goal is just to be. There's only now, there's only here. Give in to love or live in fear. No other path, no other way. No day but today.”

 

bro.. life is a roller coaster.. with decisions.. ride tht fuckn roller coaster but make good decisions and be smart with what you do and you'll get where u want in life.. and where you end up is life bro..and so is experience .. what ur saying makes me think like.. oh shit its just life.. fuck it dude imma let my life do what it wants.. and the thing is dude.. ur right there's only now, there's only here.. i like tht.. but u control what happens here and what happens now.. aand the thing about your wife cheating on u.. tha fuck dude.. lol.. thts random.. but i guess your right.. actually proves my point bro.. every single individual controls their own life.. you control yours, your wife controls hers.. u dnt want her to cheat on you but she does.. cause that what she wants to do.. nothin you can do about it.. so like i said bro dnt let anyone control what u do or where u go in life.. do what u want and do what makes you happy.. there are alot of bad things that make ppl happy.. but shit.. it makes em happy bro.. there gnna do it.. cause thts all anyone wants in life.. happiness

 

This is acid in a nutshell, well done and +rep

 

Well, by your standards, existence is an illusion

Which it is, to some degree.... or we're an illusion created by existence, and then create the illusion of existence... it's a stack of illusions.

I have no idea what the fuck i'm saying. have some rep.

 

i know exactly what ur talking about.. like its fuckin crazy.. but as long as im in this mofo im gnna make it a good time you know what im saying.. whether its an illusion or not its sure as hell real to us.. but yeah life is.. its almost random.. like how tha fuck did existence happen