Gay Marriage

You're a funny guy.

That WAS funny.

 

Yes, many whites feared blacks. Many felt (and some likely still feel) that blacks are inherently untrustworthy, as well as many other misguided stereotypes. Many whites have feared what black men might do to white women, or their property.

Are you defining fear as fear of physical harm, or as something different, like fear of the degradation of the white race, fear of the weakening of the moral fabric of the country? Perhaps that is the difference I am noting here. Fear creates tension, tension creates animosity, animosity creates actions.

I agree that it is not necessary to have fear in order to have hate; but rather, fear often leads to hate.

 

What, I was trying to comprehend the mentality that is so opposed to gay marriage.
I honestly believe it is fear. Just not sure exactly what the fear is.

"If it is not out of love, it is out of fear." Marianne Williamson

I feel very confident that slavery, the genocide of Native Americans, the Holocaust, etc., which are all hateful things, grew out of fear. All of the symptoms are there. The hatred is irrational, it is no coincidence they call it homophobia

 

I think you're generalizing. While some may hate because of fear, i hardly doubt it is all inclusive.

You can make a fear out of anything, and people do!

I think many people believe homosexuality is wrong because its 'unnatural.' Now what fear is that? Fear of the unnatural?

You can call anything a fear. I think people can believe something is wrong without it being based in fear.

I agree that fear leads to hate. Then again, fear is a natural human instinct, which has saved man many times.

 

unnatural? That likely wouldn't go over well in West Hollywood. I am not interested in trying to explain how I arrived at this conclusion, which by the way is not an uncommon one.

It may seem unnatural to you, but even though I am hetero, I feel that it is very judgemental and insulting to say gay people are unnatural. They are just as natural as anyone.
You may feel it is wrong, but I say that you have no right to impose that opinion on others. Discriminatory laws do that.
What conceivable harm or impact does their lifestyle have on you? It has none on me, I cannot see how it possibly could. Please tell me why you would not want gay people to exist. What is the reason? They have as much right to their love as you do to yours.

 

I think I posted on this thread prior but not sure. So, where it's leaving off...

I've known some gay people who express their love for one and other far more diligently and in earnest than some of the straight people I've met. I am hetero, like the Blackguard states, but that doesn't prevent me from seeing intimacy for what it's worth. People need to get off their high horse of morality and realize that the world does not move according to their own personal whim. Of course, that's what the laws are about, you can't go out and force anyone to your own belief. Hey, lets make it a law! I hope every last person who supports a general ban on gay people rots in their own infantile and grotesque mind. You deserve to be unhappy.

 

Or eventually realizes that they are not really superior, but actually just chicken. Then the fear goes, the communication starts, they are shocked to learn how 'normal' the great unknown segment of society really is on closer inspection. And as the learning builds, the fear shrinks, and they finally are able to let the other person live their life unhindered and free of prosletysing.

 

I think a lot of people in here need to get off their high horse and realise that their own version of whats moral or not isnt the 'only way'.

Just because someone doesnt agree with them, doesnt make that persons opinion invalid.

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For those who dont get it yet - a detailed version.
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I think a lot of people in here [Pro-Gay] need to get off their high horse and realise that their own version of whats morally acceptable [Homosexual relations] isnt the only morals allowed [State sanctioning of Homosexual Releations].

Just because someone doesnt agree with them [Those who think Homosexual Relations are unhealthy], doesnt make that persons opinion invalid [ Example: the Fascits in here who are actually requesting people be censored and banned for not agreeing Homosexuality is perfectly acceptable].

 

Well maybe if we could put a bunch of the intolerant busy bodies who want to control someone else's private life, and let them experience what it would be like to live where hetero's were the ones facing the bigotry?
Where they would be scorned and ridiculed for feeling attracted to the opposite sex, and would either have to pretend to be gay, or face possible death by bashing.

fuck

 

Let me stop you right there... because you just described, perfectly, the University and Colleges Ive attended right there in your home town of Vancity.
There is not only a cultural intolerance for ANYTHING LESS than full-scale acceptance of homosexuality as 'Perfectly Healthy' but there is also an 'Official' decree's.

In many cases, people who think Homosexuality is simply a sexual 'fetish' are too afraid to voice it (even if asked) in fear of being punished and expelled!

I suppose it depends on where you live - but in a city like yours, being 'Pro-Gay' IS THE STATUS QUO 'ThinkSpeak'.

In some areas of your city - you ARE the minority and you can hear comments like 'Fuckin Breeder' or hear cruel comments about how 'Sick' your Menstrual Blood Sex is.

Fortunately, we dont hand out Marriage licences based on 'who is a minority' among what crowd.

Yes.. and your analogy should then also include Heterosexuals having 'Pride days' where they (and the media, mayor and celebrities) CELEBRATE how great it is to have Penis-Vagina sex.
Not to mention people almost worshipping me for 'Publically announcing Im really into Women'
Not to mention having 'Activist Groups' willing to fight for me in courts or public because I like Woman-Sex!

See.. you left those out.

Can you name ONE single situation in which a 'Straight' person/s killed a Homosexual who didnt pretend to be straight?

Can you even think of the last time you heard of an innocent Gay being beaten up by 'straights' - because they knew he was gay?

If you comb through Google long enough to find a handful of 'alleged' occurances, then I suggest you find out how many people were murdered because they were:
Fat,
Poor,
Looked at someone 'funny'
Were not wearing the proper fashion attire
were married to a woman the other guy wanted
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I think you will find YOU have a FAR greater chance of being 'Bashed' because your a Dimwit, than any Gay will ever have 'because he is gay'.

Now then.. should we all 'Officially Accept' your Dim-witted posts are 'Perfectly Healthy'.

Should we give you a special tax incentive because 'After all.. Dim-witted people are deserving of stuff'

Just because not everyone accepts your Dimness as 'Perfectly Healthy' doesnt mean you should get something.




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There is not only a cultural intolerance for ANYTHING LESS than full-scale acceptance of homosexuality as 'Perfectly Healthy' but there is also an 'Official' decree's. brocktoon


well thank god for that. you'd think it was up to me or you to allow or disallow what goes on in the privacy of some total strangers boudoir.

 

In many cases, people who think Homosexuality is simply a sexual 'fetish' are too afraid to voice it (even if asked) in fear of being punished and expelled!
brocktoon

I'd sure expell the hateful jerks.

 

I suppose it depends on where you live - but in a city like yours, being 'Pro-Gay' IS THE STATUS QUO 'ThinkSpeak'.


you speak as though pro gay is somehow anti hetero
no one is telling you who you can and cannot fuck to why the hell should you?

 

the rest of your laughably intolerant diatribe isnt even worth posting


hello, they were the ones being ostracized, punished, killed, for being themselves, you were free to go about your sexual business as usual.
maybe that might have something to do with the whole pride thing?
saying, thank god its not the middle ages, and I wont be roasted at the stake for being myself
You never had to face that did you
no
intolerance to the death........sigh

 

That is fine and good. But that isn’t what you wrote.

If you meant to express your confusion you should have stopped writing after “who knows”.

You know full well that people aren’t afraid of being seduced into becoming gay. Not to mention that such a position assumes that gays become gay. Even if that was a consideration in your head, you should have logically eliminated it as a viable option. There are a lot of young people who might be influenced by what you write. Please don’t lead them to believe that those of us who do not support gay marriages are doing so out of a fear that we might get homogenized. That is a gross misrepresentation, and if I thought you were absolutely serious I’d be pretty offended.

You may be right. Fear does have some part to play. But it is not as integral an influence as you would have it. Fear itself has nothing to do with the position we hold. Fear arises when we know ours is a lost battle. Fear arises out of knowing an abstract group of people will get an abstract justice through abstract means. There are perfect examples of how such abstract justice effects society. In such cases the cause may be noble and true, but the ends simply do not justify the means nor do the means justify the ends. I don’t know whether it is the curse of needing something done now, regardless of possible (even probable) consequence, or a genuine belief that such tidal shifts in the make up of society should happen, but recent history would suggest that it isn’t a good idea to make such changes based on such questionable logic.

 

Please, someone who opposes gay marriage, explain in a clear and rational manner why we should ammend the constitution of the United States to create a federal law against it. Please leave out any ehtnocentric morality references.

 

My sentiments exactly. The constitution does not exist to deny rights, it exists to secure rights. Only one amendment has ever denied rights, the Prohibition of alcohol, and it was done away with after it was proven disasterous.

 

The gay community has no legitimate agency upon which a right can be granted.

 

What the hell is that supposed to mean? Rights are granted to individuals, not agencies, and last I checked, the gay "community" is made up of a bunch of individual human beings.

The last I checked, true freedom is the right to do whatever one chooses, so long as it does not harm another person or take away anyone's rights. How does two dudes getting married harm another person? Whose rights does it infringe upon?

 

Wow, a whole sentance constructed with absolutely no meaning. You should write speeches for Bush...