Synthetic cannabanoid smokes.

So, who here likes all these synthetic "weeds" u find at most smoke shops. Opinions? I've recently tried a few blends and i must say it's a diffrent experince. It's like being high without being real "stupid". lol

 

oh, it's stupid alright...

(no offense)

they just aren't for me. for one, IF i was gonna try a synthetic cannabinoid, i'd get it in pure powder form so i know how much i'm dosing. with these blends, you don't even know WHAT chemical you're smoking most of the time. i tend to agree with orison as well that people shouldn't be complacent about cannabis prohibition because they can get high from this shit

 

Strange dayz

 

it can kill you

 

Yet to hear a report about death from it but sounds probable.

 

I would suggest finding a good online vendor for blends because any good vendor will tell you what chem is in any particular blend they offer. Just be careful with the stuff because it's not like weed and you can OD easily if you do too much or are unsure how potent the blend is. Not saying you are going to die but overdosing is a possibility.

 

I changed my mind about spice. I just ordered this shit... bad new bears man. Just no good.

I mean, it lasts a bit too long (lingers into the next day even), is too strong, and is nothing like weed. It's just cheep legal drugs, damned if I know shit.

 

interesting change of heart, sam. props for coming clean though

 

Maybe it's just my lousy memory...

But hasn't there been talk about some serious side effects from using (vaporizing) JWH-18 and possible other cannabinoids? It was suspected to have a bad effect on your lungs and even increasing the risks of getting cancer?

Maybe it's just random gibberish but I think I read it in a thread on bluelight. I'll see if I can find it...


Edit: I know that regular smoking is also bad for your lungs and so on...

But cannabinoids was supposedly way more hazardous.

 

I remember reading in the wiki page for jwh 018 that it's chem structure is similar to known cancer causing agents. Idk if they ever tested the stuff further.

 

I used to smoke the stuff while I was being drug tested. It started out fun, but after a couple overdoses I stopped enjoying it.

 

Long story short, it is no replacement for good old Delta Nine Tee H See

 

You suck dick at drugs.

Also, I dunno what the fuck YOU'RE smoking, but the synths have all the "stupid" effects that weed does NOT, with none of the beneficial ones and a few dangerous health effects to throw on top of everything. They perminantly damage your personality, in my opinion. I've only recently really recovered from my (very light) use, some time ago, with the help of some psychedelics.

 

^^^good job selling them!

 

"SWIM" sold "spice" based on the idea that people where going to buy what they where going to buy, and it was better that they buy it from "SWIM", someone who really did care that they remain in the best health possible, than from the local headshop, which is run by a very unscrupulous person who will tell them anything to take their money, and sells dangerous crap.

I've never seen ANY other spice with a detailed warning label about the potential effects of human consumption of the contained chemicals, as well as a full list of ingredients and a potency warning. (and of course, the generic warning that it should not be consumed by humans) Not to mention a lack of dangerous and pointless flavors, scents, and colors to full up your lungs without doing anything, and potentially pose other unrelated health risks.

(If you did mean me)

 

Might be kind of moot for some of the JWH's.

http://www.ofr.gov/OFRUpload/OFRData/2011-04428_PI.pdf

 

Why must you insult? There are 1000's of diffrent possible synthetic cannbanoids being used in these incense so expect there to be diffrent feelings for diffrent brands. From my use of the brands i have used i have experinced the body high without the clouded judgement.. ie the "stupid". And you must have a weak personality for it to be damedge by (very light) use of these drugs.. But to each his own.

 

Back on topic.

Smoke too much of this stuff and it's pretty nasty. . My brother and I (he's never done other drugs than weed) were given a free sample of some super potent synthetic. I was told "It's just like weed, just more bomb (potent).

Well I take 4 hits and off the bat I feel like something is 'off' as I am coming up i'm chatting with my brother and 3 sketch drug dealers. Well they convince my brother while we are coming up to buy a dub of the product. We do because it seemed okay at the time. We walked out of the house feeling really baked. When your on this you can be convinced too easily. 5 minutes pass and we notice this wasn't was described. The stimulant side kicks in hard and the visuals kick in. Things seem fake and overall has a creepy feel kind of like a cliche scary carnival, and the most heavy paranoia in my life sits in. So much in fact that I NEEDED to whisper. So did my brother, we could not talk at normal levels, because if we did something bad would happen.

I felt like my heart was going to give up at any moment as did my brothers. We kept complaining about the 3rd person effect we were getting and that this was fucked up. We walk about a block to a park when we decide we will go back and get our money back and give back the product.

They deny and we almost fight in the arguement. The dealer wouldn't tell me what the product was and acted like he knew shit. He didn't, he said it wasn't any of the chemicals I named and that he knew, but wouldn't tell me. I honestly wanted to deck him in the face because of his attitude. I would have done it if I wasn't already almost dying. The drugs wore off I gave the sack to my friend cause I wont touch that stuff again.

/End Rant

 

Right on, someone's done their homework.

 

I have to fully disagree, but ONLY because I know precisely how much per milligram to gram of herb is in my blend as I am working with a vendor to custom make mine. It ain't stupid by any means, I disagree there too, it's just a different chem experience not much different than fucking with 2c-e, m1, 4-fa, 4-aco-dmt, et al. Not one of us knows the REAL long-term effects of ANY of these things, hell, not even Shulgin nor Nichols know that much, with the exception of MDMA's long-term effects due to the non-stop testing over the years of the substance.

My blend is made up of dream herb, blue lotus, sacred lotus, white lotus, wild dagga, spearmint, opium lettuce, JWH's-019, 081, 122, 203, 210, 250, 251, & 5-MeO-DALT, with the JWH blend at a 1:1 ratio between 60-70mg/g of herb and the DALT at something like 40-50mg/g (if I remember correctly). I wouldn't just walk into a head shop and buy any old mixture with no knowledge of what I was putting into my body, but knowing precisely what herbs and chems are in my mix allows for me to know just how much to use in a given set and setting so as not to make it a mystery bag mix that I wouldn't have a clue what to expect from nor how much to use in a given average bowl. I also know it's being dispersed onto the herb with lab grade ethanol in a very even and appropriate manner, so it's safe to say that this will be bomb shit. My vendor wouldn't add it on account of his own personal feelings on the matter, but I'm going to add a syrian rue extract (hopefully I can find a liquid one to spray evenly across the mixture) so that this ultimately can be a wild, effective, and crazy-ass changa.

I do agree with orison, however, like you. Cannabis prohibition is the shits, especially being a Californian from the Bay (where I'm returning this year with all liklihood from the hick town I'm sort of stuck in ATM) where I had a club card and could just walk into a cannabis club and buy my weed OTC like I was buying medicine or groceries, and the fact that the lift on the ban statewide didn't go through when it was on the ballot this year was a total blow to me, in fact, from all I have heard through the grapevine, it's set shit back a lot there as far tolerance toward potheads and our enjoyment. Like you and orison are saying, these synth cannabinoids are not a replacement for weed, and never will be, weed in fact may just be the most perfect drug in the world throughout humanity IMO. Nobody should be complacent that just because there're alternatives that we should put up with this ridiculous country's racist, classist, etc. views on marijauna. But, I still think that blends have their place every bit as much as any trpyt or phen. Just my two cents.