Does/can this person really exist?

seriously man, wtf?

did you swallow the little book of calm or something????

 

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No, I haven't yet swallowed any books today.

 

Attack or defense is a sign that we feel vulnerable. We all exist on the bodies of other organisms but I think martyrdom is a temptation to be avoided by those who find excellence in love. That a body is to "be saved" at all costs, is a lack of recognition that unless a kernel of grain dies it cannot bear fruit. We cannot in fact, make substitution for another.

 

didn't mean to agitate you or anything, just asking questions - tis what i do

 

I wasn't offended.

All I meant is that ideas we're not used to hearing sound strange at first. The more we look into it, the more we may find that it makes sense, or not. Ideas that clash with our own often sound like shit at first.

If we don't ever bother trying to see whether something rings true or not, we'll never find truth.

 

It's all about survival. If martydom increased the chance of overall human survival, which I believe it did in the past when humans lived in tribes, then it's only logical.

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one" ~Spock

 

that's fair enough. but remember

i was sort of quoting maslow, to reiterate - i don't care for his theory. so if you need to question it, i suggest taking it up with him :mickey:

 

I don't need to question it. I've done so in the past (for school) and I don't find it all that true.

My responses were in relation the the original post of the thread;

 

Each of those qualities/aspirations (?)mentioned exists in everyone to some extent. To what extent is probably determined by nurture,intent,example and/or environment. I'm not sure the Dalai Llama would be on the affirmative side of all the qualities mentioned. With humans,it's just about anything we CAN imagine is/has been done,so I suppose there are some that embody all those qualities. You never know.

 

fair enough.

 

I think the need of one is identical to the need of many. Energy is constantly being exchanged or rather converted from one form into another.
What you are saying is true in the sense of allowing for predation in that if one is eaten another is spared but I think mating and reproduction are more to the point of survival of the whole, rather than individual sacrifice.

 

I was thinking more along the lines of one man saving a whole group or atleast saving more than one other person.

Also, if those saved were woman and children it would positively affect mating and reproduction.

 

Could you give an example of one man saving a group by sacrificing himself, other than it be in the case of a predator.

 

i totally agree with you scratcho. i think all of these qualities exist in everyone, however they may be latent in some individuals if not nurtured

 

Yes,I think nurture is most important in this life for all of us,given no bad brain wiring that precludes normal understanding.

 

How about a firefighter rescuing people from a burning building.

 

Firefighters do not need to die in order to help people out of burning buildings.
Firefighters do die fighting fires but fire fighters do not offer themselves up to take the place of someone else. Whereas they know it is possible, I don't think they expect to die.