Communism is genocide

life would not be the same without by vans

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if in fact they were slaughtered just because they were indian

and an effort was made to kill all of them

then i'd agree

otherwise it's run-of-the-mill political mass murder

now our indian wars of the post-civil war era i'd count as genocide

 

Unfortunately, Genocide is a lot more normal on planet earth than anyone will care to admit. There is enough of it to go around to legitimately cite mass goverment sponsored genocide in Mao's China and Stalin's Soviet Union.

Not all genocides are created equal though.

Collectivism works really well on those Polynesian islands as described by
Margaret Mead and illustrated by Paul Gauguin. Collectivism here required no force to coherce anyone because everyone is related by kinship. People genuinely want to share, methods of shaming and exhortation work in a kinship environment.

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Here in Eugene,there are two stores called Jerry's. They are like Lowes or Home Depot and are very well run,clean and the people are helpful. All 400 employees recently bought ALL the stock and now said employees own the stores. They will share in the profits and will care more about what happens in their stores. Fuck communism--employee ownership is the way to go. It's been done before and I wish it would spread. Real workers owning their own jobs and not workers fighting for scraps while some CEO collects millions. As has been said ,communism and capitalism are both subject to the greed of those in control. Maybe off point,but so what?

 

um, isn't it roughly the same thing?

 

I don't think so. The new owners will have the say in what happens there and not some government that owns everything.

 

Mass Killings eh?

Interesting concept if you think about it... Is it a mass killing if it's spread over a couple of hundred years? Or is there a time limit that the killings have to take place in to count as a 'mass killing'...

If we were to take the view that it is the amount of people killed at once by one action... Then the US is ahead of any and all past examples.

In fact, the US would have both the number one spot and the number two spot on that.

 

actually, in real communism, the workers are the government

 

We're supposed to be here also. And we are the government if we're corporations. You know--by the dummies,for the dummies,etc.

 

the dummies control the means of production?

 

Well,I should have said the people-just being my usual smart-ass self. It's still capitalism but the workers now own the company and have a stake in seeing it succeed. Some central government doesn't "own" everything like in a communist set-up.

 

scratcho, you're not paying attention

you're ignoring the theory of the thing as well

imagine all the workers at your company picking one worker to represent them at a big meeting of workers from other employee-owned businesses, to hash out problems that affect them all, allocate resources, whatever

that's the central government you're worried about - it's you

 

And who ever said that the Internet was an un-baised medium that doesn't serve any single government or entity.

 

if you don't like the wikipedia page, you can always edit it

i don't suppose your blind rage allowed you to see this:

yeah, i didn't think so . . .

 

Just a kind word of advice. You might want to consider going easy on the brown acid.

 

i'm 50 years old and live in a very small town on the northern prairies

i go easy on all the acid - i really have little choice in the matter

you have not yet addressed the matter of your stupidity

 

I'mma just go ahead and quote this.

 

article 2 of the convention says "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part", it doesnt say "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, just because of racial predjudices, in whole or in part". the "in whole or in part" was added specifically to apply to any act intended to severly reduce a population. killing in mass, members of a national, ethnical or racial group to prevent a rival political group from gaining a large support base does count as genocide. whether it will be prosecuted is another thing. the fact that the US, india, malaysia, the phillipines and others signed the convention only with a provision that prevents the ICC from bringing charges of genocide against them without their prior permission is the reason why only rwanda and yugoslavia have been charged by the ICC for genocide since world war 2.

article 3 defines what can be punished under the convention.
a. genocide
b. conspiracy to commit genocide
c. direct and pulic incitement to commit genocide
d. attempt to commit genocide
e. complicity in genocide

members of the US government and CIA would be prosecuted for complicity in the genocide in east timor by indonesia, and the genocides in guatemala and el salvador by their governments if we would be willing to apply the same standards to ourselves as we apply to countries outside our sphere of influence.

 

Communism is genocide

nonsense...communism is sharing.

 

Yeah, co-ops are an awesome idea if done properly. For me personally, I'd take more of an interest in my job if I had a more direct voice in how things are managed.