Spice/synthetic cannibinoids?

so what's the deal with spice/synthetic cannibinoids? what are different variations of synthetic cannibinoids that you have tried? are synthetic cannibinoids healthy? what are some good brand names of spice that you have tried?

 

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i don't think so

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if i remember, you seem to be against psychedelic RCs like 2ce, 4-aco-dmt, etc. which are considered (at least by me) to be more safe than JWHs

 

so i guess not many people have much to say about spice?

i'm on probation, but i don't want to end up smoking spice if i'm going to regret it after i get off.

what makes JWH's so unsafe?

 

Tastes pretty shitty but it does the trick, I've tried Spice, Spice Gold, and K2

K2 was lame in comparison to pure jwh-018, waste of time

Spice was mellow, I would never pay for it, luckily it was offered for free. Spice Gold really wasn't bad though, pretty strong couch-lock, got some on vacation from my cousin's friend along with some weed since he didn't have enough weed to sell me haha.

Might as well buy 99%+ purity JWHs online though since it is way cheaper. Like Porky said though, JWHs are considered worse than other RCs since you smoke them, and smoking chemicals is not so fun. If you have a meth pipe to vape them or can get one, then it's all good though.

 

synths can give a lot of false positives.. so you're probably better off not smoking it while on probation.. secondly.. its not the same.. never will be.. and can come with some shitty side effects like intense anxiety

 

yea my friend convinced me into trying K2 one night, and i can honestly say that shit sucks.

although aparently now JWH-018 is already outlawed in my state.

mr. miyagi melt is a little better. its actually not too bad at all.

maybe i'll try vaping some pure JWHs like newradical said. i wonder, if aside from negative effects on your lungs, there are any possible negative mental effects?

joker, by shitty side-effects like intense anxiety do you mean during the high, or after the high? also, have you heard of any specific times of people getting false positives? and from which JWH compounds?

 

i've read reports of them giving off false positives for meth and coke.. during the high is usually when the anxiety hits.. just like normal weed

 

personally i wouldn't smoke a synth chem.. who knows what it may lead to in the future as little studies are done about RCs in general.. bluelight will give you more insight chemistry wise about cannibinoids im sure.. there are a ton of intelligent people on that forum

 

we dont know exactly. all things considered, i would say JWH-(xxx) are generally much safer than cigarettes.


when you look at the structure of JWH-018 (and a couple other JWH-xxx compounds) there is a napthyl group that has been known to be carcinogenic. many of the chemical constituents added to cigarettes also have napthyl groups in their molecular structure. correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe the metabolization of this napthyl moiety is where the problem is. in metabolization, its possible the napthalene breaks free when burned, and is carcinogenic. my understanding of it, however, is that this is relatively inconclusive still- as there are many other factors at play in the metabolism of ring hydroxylation. also, in JWH-018 i know there is a methoxy group attached to the napthyl group, which seems like it would potentially affect it although im not positive how

so i'd say the best answer right now is that yes, its quite likely the JWH's are carcinogenic and potentially cancer-causing. like i said, i would say that smoking pure JWH-(xxx) is generally healthy than smoking cigarettes. but until more research is done, it may not be the best idea to smoke these compounds heavily for extended periods of time.

also im no chemist here.. my understanding of chemistry is extremely elementary at best. its just something im kinda interested in and like to research in my spare time. the last time somebody made a post about the carcinogenic effects of synthethic cannabinoids i did a little research and this is the conclusion i came to.. but again i know very little about this stuff so its probably best not to take my word for it

 

^^^that post seems to be the general consensus for now.

joker's reference is the first time i've heard anything about JWHs giving false positives for meth or coke. that doesn't really make sense, although i'm sure it's not impossible.

desos, is it true that you haven't tried or are against trying synthetic phenethylamines and tryptamines?
wait, do you mean field tests of the powder? i think i may have read that.
but not piss tests for metabolites.

 

i havn't tried any of them, and i've always steered away from them, because i'd much rather just stick with lsd.