Homosexuals - Turn or Born

21 Posts Later, And Still Nothing Heard From The Original Poster....

Methinks My "Trolldar" Is Just As Accurate As My "Gaydar"...:2thumbsup:



Cheers Glen.

 

I Read Your Post Three Times, And I Still Haven't Got A "Clue In Hell" What

You Are Saying...:willy_nilly::willy_nilly:



Cheers Glen.

 

I don't think it's a choice. I first noticed my attraction to males while I was still in my early teens. I never knew anybody that was gay. In fact, I didn't actually meet any gay folks until I was 18 (when I joined a gay youth group). And the rest is history. :sunny:

QP

 

Exactly right.

Many gay people suffer harassment, persecution, ostracision from their families, physical assault, and sometimes even are murdered purely for being gay. Why any sane person would open themselves to all that if they could simply choose not to is beyond me, and makes no logical sense at all.

And yep, you are correct. If we could all "choose" whom we're attracted to, then gay people are not really gay, and straight people are not really straight. It would mean that there's no such thing as "straight" people, just people who choose to repress their attractions to the same sex for an easier life, or because of dubious "morality" reasons.

@Glen: I have found that most people who start threads like these are trolls. Also, most of them have an extremely low post count. So its obvious they've only signed up to try and upset gay people.

@Fire In The Soul: Your assertions are so absurd and laughable that Im not even going to waste my time picking apart everything that's wrong with them. So, no straight people have ever had negatiive relations with family members of the opposite sex? Puleeease! lol

 

Who in the fuck put turn?

 

I believe I was born an attention whore

 

Actually all the scientific evidence points towards it being born. Example, do you choose who you're attracted to. Answer, no.

 

Yup, that's true for sure.

 

Exactly. You cant choose who you're attracted to, therefore being gay is not a choice. And there is scientific evidence which points towards it being inborn. The problem is, some people simply do not want to, or cannot, accept that gay people are born the way they are, and cant help the way they are. Their whole stance on the issue with the morality crap all hinges on gay people "going against what is natural", and choosing to be gay. It is far harder to condemn someone for something which they cannot help, and which is beyond their control. So, even with 100% concrete, irrfeutable evidence of it being inborn, some would still dismiss it, because it doesn't fit in with their twisted beliefs.

I have seen religious groups attempting to discredit the brain sex evidence in some transsexuals that points to the condition of feeling trapped in the wrong body, being inborn, with psuedo-science nonsense, and downright lies. When all known, respected, and reputable scientists in the field accept the brain sex research as evidence of some transsexuals being born with brain structure of the opposite sex. Some people simply don't want the truth. They ask for evidence, then when they get it, attempt to discredit it because they cannot handle the truth. Hatred and prejudice blinds people, even in the face of cold hard facts.

 

I can only go by my own experience. I don't choose who I'm attracted to so why should I expect others to.

 

Talk like that will get you accused of having common sense.

 

Nice Posts Guys...



Cheers Glen.

 

I suggest an alternate poll. Hands up all those, who weren't brainwashed by Abrahamic religion from birth, that can't tolerate or hate homosexuals.

 

a lot of negatives there...............don't think I was brainwashed by Abrahamic (read Christianity?) and I can tolerate all sorts of different sexual-orientated people. Think I said be4 - "vive la difference!"

Simon

 

Who can choose who they're attracted to, honestly? I dont think anyone can.

 

All fetuses are female in the beginning of their development but at just the right stage of development certain hormones are created that diverge the development from female to male. These hormones are in very minute amounts and not only affect the physical development of the body but of the brain as well. Sometimes for various reasons the body will be made male but the brain is unaffected by these hormones so you end up with a male body with a feminine brain. Also sometimes these hormones are released accidently but the body will not be affected but the mind will and this is how a lesbian is formed. This has been proven by examining the brains via MRI of straight men, gay men, straight women and gay woman. The results showed that a gay man's brain resembles a straight woman's brain and the brain of a gay woman resembles that of a straight male.

This goes on to explain not only why gay men are attracted to men but also exhibit numerous feminine characteristics and interests (not all but most). The same goes for lebsians...... many exhibit masculine characteristics.

Basically homosexuality is a birth defect.

 

In other words. the Penis is just a big clit.. or a little clit, depending on the size of your penis..

 

I knew that brain structure of the opposite sex had been found in transsexuals, but I didnt know this was also the case for gay people. I wonder then why some people merely are attracted to the same sex, but have no issues with their outer body sex, yet some actually identify as the opposite sex, and see their outer body (and wrong gender classification that comes with it) as wrong, and a defect? Also, transsexuals dont all have the same sexual oritentation. So, I dont think sexual orientation is completely dictated by whether your brain is feminine or male. Also, some gay men are not very feminine. While some lesbians are more feminine than masculine.

@Orison: Well, some intersex conditions where females are born with enlarged clitoris', have resulted in those females being wrongly brought up as male, due to the clitoris being mistaken for a penis.

 

There hasnt really been all that much research into male/fem stuctures of the hypocampus , or that much for prenatal biology for transexuals. Testosterone levels is only one sex determinant there are others.

The brain doesnt stop developing till we are around 21 years old, most memory, muscle memory, behaviour mapped in through learning, including gender identity. but for the most part we know sweet FA.

Born gay is what we want to believe, doesnt make it true. 'Gay' itself is too abstract, we cant even pin that down

 

Your brain sex is something you are born with, and is something that never changes throughout someone's life. And it is as intrinsic to someone's gender and physical sex as the outer sex anatomy. This is the main reason why scientists in the field believe that the one section of the brain studied and that has been found in some transsexuals to be the opposite sex in structure, is an indicator that the condition is inborn. As there is no other possible scientific explanation for that phenomenon occurring. Gender identity is linked to brain sex, which, is beyond dispute, is different between males and females. This is almost certainly the reason why that, for many transsexuals, the feeling of being born in the wrong body is amongst their very first memories. A female brain structure cannot become male, and vice versa. This is from expert scientists in the field, not from me. Just because that fact fails to go in hand in hand with your continuous assertions that things like sexuality are dictated by envoirnment and upbringing, doesn't make it any less a fact. Males and females have different brain structures. That is not a theory, its a fact.

I think what makes someone gay, and what makes someone transsexual, isnt the same thing. I personally believe that gay people are born gay, but I cannot present concrete proof of that. Nor do I know it for a total fact. It just makes logical sense to me. Even with no scientific evidence, it seems far more plausible than any arguements Ive heard from people giving envoirmental/upbringing theories for people being gay. I have seen enough scientific evidence to convince me that some transsexuals are born the way they are however.

You are right that in many ways, the brain doesnt stop developing until adulthood. But your brain sex is set in stone from birth and cannot be changed or altered.