A god exists. Or there would be no 'our universe'

Certainly it can. That is where science itself comes in. Its the direction.

As well, can you answer a question for me? If nothing can exist without direction, how can god exist? Whats directing god?

 

The fact that there is no universal point or purpose to life doesn't mean we cant still enjoy it. Absolutely nothing changes when you find out we are molecular machines and sure we are all a complex assimilation of organic matter, but I don't see how anyone can say we are "JUST" that...and it is said a lot.

Its like people who reject evolution because they want to believe they are superior to apes. They think explaining what we are is degrading, and that just isn't true.

People who want to be the center of the universe.

Hubris.

 

Our universe is only ours because we can't bear not to share!

 

From my understanding, what if god created things and let them be? like created man but let him act under his own free will. so if you want to be angry and kill someone then that is on you. because we have our own minds to think for ourselves dont we? why would you need god to intervene for every single thing.

God created everything. And made laws so everything is not spontaneous. even if some things still are.

 

euphoriaforall:

I can't help but feel otherwise. I feel everything creates itself (which is what you were getting at before you said this) --Humanity doesn't require 'salvation' once it comes to realize we can create in celebration

That's the idea!

 

No you see, as a strong atheist myself, even I cannot deny that that is a possibility. There is nothing out there except science that is making the world run on it's own. We know this for a fact. it can be proven over and over again 100%. However, there is a possibility that a god could be running the science.

 

Science doesn't make the world run, it merely explains how the world runs in the first place. Theories are discarded and revised like they are because while there are no suspensions in the natural order, we often miscalculate and fail to grasp the truth of reality that is right in front of us.

The idea that god could be controlling nature is sort of silly, because god would be included in the word nature.

 

Me and my friends were recently discussing the depression that follows knowing this knowledge. I think they are far more comfortable with the thought then I am.

They tell me that they just tell themselves not to think about it, and somehow they can. It always creeps its way into my thoughts, but I am very attached to the idea of purpose, so to know that there isn't any: it's a scary thought and hard to overcome when you've been taught otherwise your entire life.

My friends just tell me: figure out what's important to you and just work on that. Develop what's important and it'll bring you happiness and comfort, which is what we all seek. Love is it.

 

What we would prefer to have is all that we want in abundance as often as we want it. The psychic state that is present when this is accomplished is called peace.

Happiness occurs anytime we give ourselves wholly to any situation.

 

yep, the OP obviously doesnt understand the MEANING of words, like "proof", or the laws of logic, etc. We don't have to prove that God doesn't exist. It's on he who asserts a positive to prove it, and they CANT. That's the end of it, really. They just want their wishes to have the force of facts/reality, like a little kid does. Sorry, ain't ever happened, never will, and you should be GLAD of it. Millions of people pray every day for you to DIE, you know. They want what you have.

 

It's not to keep yourself from thinking about it, but to think about it until you come to terms with it and don't need to dwell on it.

(I'd be one of those friends, by the way :2thumbsup

 

Always getting me through the rough patches :2thumbsup:

 

Reflection's rarely seen across the surface of the looking glass.

 

i cannot access anything past page 8

 

common glich on hipforums these days. there is nothing past it, despite it saying there is.

 

There could be, a prognostication?

 

wow a prognostication.. ins that like a dissambiguation

 

If you mean as in establishing the true meaning of an expression I think both yes and no. A situation could arise where additional pages are produced in this thread, but to point out that fact only points to a probability. That is why the word prognostication was followed by a question mark. It makes the situation only very slightly less ambiguous to point to a specific potential.