This most recent experience with 30mg 4-aco-dmt will have been my first ++++ trip and what I consider my first breakthrough on anything other than Salvia. I actually decided on the 4-aco at the last minute since I had planned on having DMT for the first time, but was unable to procure an oil pipe and did not have the time or materials to construct a homemade vaporizor. With my limited supply, I also did not want to run the risk of screwing up an amateur changa-like mixture and burning it. It was Friday evening and I had just finished a long and physically exhausting work week of unloading trucks, building and hauling pallets, and stocking thousands of boxes of merchandise into the store inventory... all starting at 3am. So I had been awake since 1:30am and ran some errands after work. By 7:00 I was absolutely spent, but remembered that I had a great experience with 4-aco and sleep deprivation/physical exhaustion before so I decided to go for it. Usually, I am a little erratic with my decisions to dose and don't do a lot of mental or S&S preparation, sometimes I just get into this mode where I feel like I have to dose no matter what, in order to prove something to myself, I guess. Not a good habit, but I'm working on it. This time, I actually did put a considerable effort into clearing away some mental cobwebs and retain an upbeat outlook the entire day. It proved to have had a positive impact. At 9:40pm I calibrated my scale since it was weighing between 5-10mg over each time I tried a 10g weight. It is on its last legs and I don't really trust it to accurately weigh anything under a gram so for all I know my dose still could have been 5-10 + or - but it's not life threatening with 4-aco so I wasn't worried. By 10pm things were already starting to kick up, so I logged off and went to join my bf on the sofa to watch Alice. I barely got passed the opening credits before I stopped paying attention to the movie. 4-aco was in charge and it wanted to make itself unmistakably clear. Since this trip I have come to appreciate the fast-paced tryptamine comeup (as opposed to the finicky "will I trip or will I not?" PEA comeup) that used to intimidate me so. Now I really like how once things get into gear, there's no turning back and the heat continues to increase until peak. At the time though, I was becoming concerned because I was starting to have the same very intense, uncomfortable physical sensation of creepy crawly muscles and an alarming tingly/numb/floaty feeling through every layer of skin that I had experienced on my hell trip with 30mg 2c-i and 25mg 4-aco. What complicated things further was the fact that I was so tired and the 4-aco seems to have a sedating effect to me so I was also fighting off sleep. I figured the feeling was due to the fact that those synapses were blown open by the hell trip and the 4-aco was simply blazing its way through those open trails again. The harder I fought sleep, the more uncomfortable it became. Once again, the thought of the ER crossed my mind but I quickly put it out of the question. I said not a word and remained still as to not alarm my bf. By this point, the background noise from the movie was becoming quite irritating and I felt myself turning towards a rough ride. The need for sleep was becoming an insurmountable force to fight against and although I didn't want to "waste" my trip by falling asleep, in another 10 minutes or so and I simply could not keep it at bay any longer. I gave in, laid back and closed my heavy eyes and began to relax. Almost immediately, the insane discomfort I was feeling gave way to a lighter, friendlier series of almost playful waves of physical pleasure washing over me. Unfortunately, from this point on I have a lot of memory loss but I will do my best to recount what happened from here. Each passing "wave" got more intense until they became what I thought many of you refer to as the tryptamine vibrations. Hard to describe, but I will do my best and correct me if I'm wrong. It feels like a firm, but gentle force pressing down, inward, and outward somehow all at once on every cell of my body. The pressure intensified until just before it became painful, then waned, then pressed again and so on. With each vibration I became less of myself and more a part of the process, first acknowledging the pressure was flowing through me, almost using me, then merging me with the sleeping cat on my lap, then becoming less aware of my own heartbeat, then I was just a breath, until nothing of my physical or mental self as I knew it remained. No emotions except that of pure awe and wonder, any and all thoughts I had up til the evening had ceased to be significant. I inadvertently cut the ego tether, something I had been so fearful of doing before, and I had simply merged with this energy or force that was flowing through me. I felt like a piece of everything, and that everything was part of "me". I'm not sure of the duration of this and the visuals are a little wonky to recall, but I do remember seeing a series of colorful cartoonish space station scenes, one of a sort of portal ala Stargate (cheesy, I know, but the best I can describe it), right before I lost myself. Suddenly, I remember slowly coming back, in the reverse order that I left. Breath, then heartbeat, then the cat on my lap, then eyes opening. I can't describe the wonder and amazement I felt at this point so I won't even try... those of you who have experienced it already know. I checked the time and it was only a little after 11pm and the movie was still going but I was already coming down. Usually, 4-aco lasts longer but perhaps I used so much juice during the breakthrough I had exhausted my receptors. At this point, I went to go lie in bed in the dark and drift off to Shpongle. The audio-visual synaesthetic show that Shpongle provides during a tryptamine experience never fails to amaze me. A note about the visuals: they were not very strong this time around, I did have some gray/translucent open eye Alex Gray-type eye patterning and behind closed eyes was a neon world of consistently swirling and morphing geometry and mosaics. I snagged this from a HFer's signature, but it is a good representation. I have noticed some recurring themes in my collective 4-aco experience, something in particular I find interesting is the way the visuals drift in and out as I drift in and out of sleep, from the more standard colorful swirling patterns to very distinctive cartoon scenes. At one point, I became an observer immersed in a little cartoon hot dog-people world where I watched a little hot dog man with sunglasses and a mustache lay on a tanning chair by a pool of many other swimming hot dog people in little bathing suits... LOL I have no idea where that one came from. The cartoon space stations and Octopi/tentacles are another scene I can count on seeing in every trip. The octopus starts out as a typical swirling scene of geometric reticulated "beads" strung together that swirl until the "beads" become the suction cups of the tentacles, and the tentacles begin to take shape and interlock into an infinite sea of mollusk arms. Similar, but with no negative space in between and always colored in neon pinks and oranges. Well, I'm never any good at conclusions so I will just leave you by saying thank you all for your support and inspiration. As I was coming down, I had this goofy feeling that I just won an Academy Award or something and wanted to thank you all for helping make it possible LOL. You guys rock...
Expert tripper right here I felt like I was tripping for the first time again reading this what a beautiful TR and a magnificent molecule!
Thats amazing how your trip started off as a continuation from the hell trip but evolved into the amazing experience that it did. Great you were finally able to let go and knowing that you have dmt planned on the horizons you couldn't have asked for a better preparation for a dmt breakthrough than this. A ++++ is a ++++ so I don't think dmt will take you any further in a sense but the breakthrough space can be different as I'm sure you noticed from salvia and this. 4-aco dmt sounds like a fairly versatile trip with hints of familiarity which I enjoy on psychedelics.
Yes, I imagine the DMT breakthrough space to be much sharper, intense, higher speed and immersive, to put it as Spicey would. This one was a little more dreamy and soft and floaty, considering I was napping at the time. The pace of the breakthrough was somewhat comparable to watching one of those Tesla Plasma Globes... intense in a way but very flowy and relaxing.
Thanks shermy! Glad to see you around again! For me, I get what I consider a body load from 4-aco, most people don't. Much different from the 2c body load. There is no nausea or gutrot but I did eat some crystallized ginger right after dosing. Slight jaw clenching on the comeup. The first 2-3 times I tried 4-aco I did not get this body load but ever since a difficult experience I had in the beginning of September, on the comeup I get this very intense and uncomfortable feeling of my muscles crawling and my skin/extremities going numb and have a weird floating feeling similar to butterflies in your stomach... only throughout my skin. It's pretty uncomfortable. But like I stated in my report, once I stopped resisting, the discomfort subsided. The duration typically is close to 6 hours, but this time I dosed around 9:45pm and was almost completely back to baseline by 1:30am. Had lots of residual muscle tension and aching, but that always happens on a strong psychedelic experience for me.
Yessir. I do want to try plugging next time to see what the differences are. Did you ever dose orally?
