Consciousness, reality, and states

^^^ this is what i am trying to understand... i want to know what/who he is/was... i was wondering if he was an Archetype in full manifestation...? i don't know... i wish i did...

it did occur to me that he may have had a connection with my grandfather who abused me, but he didn't abuse my mum and she saw him too... i really just don't know for now...

 

I looked up the ancient Egyptian Bes you mentioned and here's what came up;

Bes
Patron of: the home, childbirth, infants, humor, song and dance. Bes protector of women and children. Bes was a complex being who was both a deity and a demonic fighter. He was a god of war, yet he was also a patron of childbirth and the home, and was associated with sexuality, humour, music and dancing. He was particularly protective of women and children and was often depicted with the young Horus protecting him as he matured. He is described as a demon, but he was not considered to be evil. If the mother was experiencing a difficult birth, a statue of Bes was placed near her head and his assistance was invoked on her behalf.



Appearance: A fat bearded dwarf, ugly to the point of being comical. He is often shown sticking out his tongue and holding a rattle. When carved or painted on a wall, he is never shown in profile, but always full-face, almost unique in Egyptian art. There are also depictions of Bes with feline or leonine features.



Description: Bes is a very unusual god. He does not appear to be Egyptian at all, but where he does come from his largely unknown. He resembles gods found in central and southern Africa, and his function is very much like that of the Fool Shaman. Bes was primarily the protector of childbirth. During the birth, Bes would dance about the room, shaking his rattle and yelling to frighten away demons that would otherwise put a curse on the child. After the child was born, Bes would stay by the cradle entertaining the child. When a baby laughed or smiled for no apparent reason, it was believed that Bes was somewhere in the room making funny faces.



Bes' role as demon-queller also extended to driving off mischievous beings that were believed to cause minor misfortune, like tripping people and souring food. Bes was so ugly that even a statue of him would frighten away wicked creatures. Thus, many houses would keep a statue of Bes near the door to guard it.



Worship: Though there are no temples to Bes, and no formal ritual, shrines to him were found in many homes, especially those with children or pregnant women.



You said that you were abused by your grandfather. Maybe, if it was Bes, it was there to protect you and provide entertainment as a way to help you deal with what was going on.


Here's a statue of Bes

 

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/the_ten-percent_myth/

there's tons about it, if you just google search. We use all of our brain, just not at the same time. Each part of relevant for something that we do- if we were able to use 100% of our brain at the same time our brain would seizure.

Since we know what each area of the brain does, I don't see how people can believe it holds the knowledge to see beyond normality- our dreams, I believe, are useless amalgamations of our past thoughts and feelings.

Likewise, drugs confuse the system. As the link I have posted states, a person sees a flash in the night sky and no one can explain it- ignorance claims it's aliens.

As for the tsunami, i'm skeptical. There's no evidence to support what could otherwise be just strange coincidence. The whole thread is based around the idea of logic, versus the occult.

 

Read more: http://scienceray.com/biology/human-biology/how-much-brain-do-we-use/#ixzz16bI4eDwh


"To say, "We use all of our brain all of the time," says nothing about the potential of human intelligence, creativity, and problem solving. Such a skeptical rebuttle of the vast potential of the human think machine implies that we have reached our limits of brain potential- probably the most harmful dead end notion of all. We haven't even gotten close."

 

Do you really think the world is going to wake up and realize its potential in the way you speak of?

Because I sure as hell don't. I don't know enough trustworthy optimistic people to agree to transmit affirmations, that will even feel like I'm not hitting a brick wall.

 

No I don't, though that's not what this thread is about. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. That's near impossible and as you said, would be like banging your head against a brick wall. People believe what they want to believe. Besides, all of us will never know what really is and what really isn't, so who are we to try and convince others? We're all just as much in the dark as the next person.

Neither do I.

 

Who was that directed at? Because I never said he used all of our brain all the time. I said exactly what you have already typed.

In fact, word for word, I said 'we use all of our brain, just not at the same time', before explaining using every part at the same time would cause brain death more or less.

So, what I am confused with- is if you agree with this, why do you feel our dreams could stretch upon the realms of what is normal, given we understand our heads well enough? We use all parts of our brain, for different purposes.

Intelligence is just somebody's ability to boost the volume of their brain power, nothing more. But I don't need to explain any of this, there's already tens of thousands of internet aficionados to equal the tens of thousands of brain cells each of us have- thereby everybody is well able to search google in aid of their professionalism.

That was directed at no one by the way, i'm just lazy and confused as to where this thread is going.

I stand by my accusation, dreams are useless. Apart from the sexy ones of course.

 

Does that cover hopes and day dreams. Our mind is always dreaming. The difference between day dreams and night dreams is during the day you can move around and bump into things whereas night dreams do not have the same physical access. If night dreaming is useless then to the same extent so is day dreaming.

 

To be honest man I'm at a real loss here, for one major reason. Everything of the nature I'm speaking of, that can be experinced can't be proven, can't be put into words, can't be shown, can't be expressed to the full potential and influence of the experience itself.

I can't explain what the mind becomes aware of after ingesting certain drugs, I doubt Lillally can fully explain her experiences with supernatural things.


Heat's quote summarizes what I mean;

To someone who is not inclined to feel these things, believe in them, give them any sort of creedence, someone who is completely unwilling to admit the existence of anything unseen by the sober mind, anything of a supernatural or metaphysical nature, it is just impossible to explain.

Ironically I sometimes rag on people who have religious faith. The thing is, you have to have some level of faith to be able to comprehend the idea that there are places and things out there, somewhere, that can be experienced only by and when someone is willing to experience it.

You don't seem to be someone who is inclined to let that part of your mind and body be open to the idea that the things suggested are real aspects of reality and so unfortunately I'm at a complete loss as how to get across to you what I think and feel.

Basically, you can't find what you're not looking for.

When we open our minds to the idea of something or the suggestion, only then can we maybe experience it for ourselves.

 

thanks luna...i found out a little about him, but nowhere near as much info as you found... where did you find all this? it is true that he made me giggle a lot... he DID use to pull funny faces and do silly little dances... my mum said that he did that for her too... maybe that is what/who he was... i feel that perhaps i owe him an apology for making him go... for fearing him when maybe i should have trusted him... i have intuitively thought this before... i will talk with a shaman about this when i next get the opportunity... maybe, if this is the case, i will be able to thank him when i next travel to another dimension, or whatever it is...

thanks again!

 

This made me think.

Daydreams for most are usually a nice thing, they are a scenario or thought that is pleasant and far easier to deal with. We also control the daydream.

Sleep dreams are perceived by most to be not controllable and are often jumbled and fearful and resolution issues.

Conflict between the two comes from the belief that we do not control night or sleeping dreams. Rather than the the realization that we indeed do control the night dreams as well but in a different manner.

 

http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/bes.html


No problem. Good luck at finding out who he was/is.

I'd be interested in hearing what you find out, only if it's okay with you of course.

 

I agree. Daydreams often just come over me, without any effort or real input on my part, they come and when I realise what's going on, I snap out of it. Night dreams are the same, the come, usually unsolicited by any conscious effort on my part, sometimes I wake up, there's been times I've realised that I was sleeping and told myself to wake up. I think our sunconscious controls both, but it is still "us" controlling it.

There's also been times where I've realised I was day dreaming and "allowed" myself to continue doing it. There's been times I've gone to bed tell myself that I will dream tonight or that I want to dream tonight, trying to make a conscious effort to ensure that it happens, and it has. Usually when I do this my dreams are a lot easier to remember in the morning and it makes it easier for me to study them.

 

this was from a few pages ago in the thread but i wanted to touch on the subject of mental disorders and illnesses.

I think our intepretations do shape our reality. I suffered from a pretty severe case of depression a few years ago. When I was going through that, I began to see what I can only describe as vibes coming off of everything...dark waves of negative energy that made everything appear ugly and sad. This was my reality for a while. Who is to say that what I saw wasn't real? the reason we perceive certain colors to be the way they are is because of how our eyes and brains process colors. How are we to say that what we see when we see colors is true reality? If we didn't see colors at all, that would be our reality. Colors would not exist to us. Reality can only be what consciousness is able to perceive.

A person with schitzophrenia may see things that others do not see. Does this mean it is not real? It is real to the person experiencing it.

I also think the mind is an extremely powerful tool when it comes to dealing with mental disorders. One day I figured out that I had a few options to deal with my depression. I could kill myself, see a doctor and try an antidepressant, or force myself to get over it. I don't believe in antidepressants and although I wanted to die at that time, I wasn't really digging the whole self-inflicted part of it...so instead, i changed my pattern of thinking from a rut of negativity to a cycle of positive thinking. Once I began focusing on the good in life, that became my new reality. I stopped seeing all those negative vibes and colors once again became vibrant to me.

neo scoffed at me in another thread because I said I got over social anxiety using only my mind as well. I think the idea that the mind has no control over things like that is rather self limiting.

I think the statement "the only thing that changes is your intepretation" can coexist quite nicely beside the idea that we control our own reality. There is a huge difference in my interpretation of the world now from when I was depressed, and that difference has resulted in a drastically different reality as well. From the energy I give and also take from others to the way colors and shapes appear to me. Its all about interpretation, certainly, but that interpretation can change everything.

As far as dreams go, I think dreams are much more important than we know, and I also think they are just as much a part of reality as our waking life.

 

it could be a few months, but i will def let you know what happens... thanks for the link, i'll take a look...

 

i agree with you... i am trying to do the same... i refuse to take their recommended prescriptions... the only people i know who have taken/are still taking those medications for depression and/or schizophrenia, have got worse, not better... of course i can't speak for everyone... only those that i know...

 

Really?

One isn't unconsciously driven...?
Or do we drive thoughts into our subconscious?

 

I'm glad you brought this up because I experienced something extremely similar to you, as I'm sure many people have, and it drastically changed the way I see the world and myself, then and now.

What you describe about vibes and colours; I remember during the worst of my despression when I would be out in public talking to people thinking that I was giving off such negative vibes that it appeared as though I could physically see a darkish, blurry border around my arms and my field of vision. I remember thinking everyday too; I looked at the sun one day during this time and I remember thinking how it physically appeared less bright. It was a pale whitish hue instead of bright and yellow-orangish. I noticed that every single day and I remember thinking to myself, "the sun isn't as bright as it used to be." Eventually it returned to it's bright self and I noticed that people were really responding to me differently. Attitude and inner feelings manifest themselves in our physical world, absolutely in my opinion. What I experienced was real, though it may not have been much, my physical world showed signs of physical change due to the conflict and negativity within myself.

After using an anti-depressant for a few months that left me feeling shittier, I decided to just focus on positive things and quit taking them. A few people here also really helped me indirectly by giving me the ideas that I was responsible for my own reality and that the ability to change it didn't lay outside myself. Also, some people really have a positive energy that is completely infectious!

People often scoff at things they may not understand. I'm guilty of it, everyone is at some point or another. It's easier to cast something off as untrue or superfluous rather than try to understand it. Personal experience is the only real way of opening your mind to the possibilty of something.

Extremely self limiting and self defeating.

Reality doesn't need borders. It isn't necessary to know the limits of reality when the fact is that not one single human being will ever touch the walls or know the ends of it.

I think so too. I'm sure many people have had dreams that affect their mood the next day, the things they think about, etc. They can certainly change who we are.

“A man is never the same for long. He is continually changing. He seldom remains the same even for half an hour.”

 

All the time. Ask any victim of abuse, anyone who's ever tried to commit suicide, anyone who's ever been raped, been hurt badly, lost someone they love, etc.

People push thoughts and experiences into the back of their subconscious all the time. Bringing those out so one can face them, accept them, and get over them is exactly what psychotherapy does.

LSD use was and has recently been employed in this field because it's very effective at bringing things to the surface of our consciousness.

 

Does it not baffle you as to how so many who are very quick to label depression/anxiety and all in between as mental disorder are also often so quick to then dismiss that the mind is then also the most powerful tool we have to combat it.

I do not discount medical treatments but the most effective healing tool we have is our own minds and the positive energy we have. Medications can only do physical the mind can heal spirit.