can't u guys still be jealos though?

Parts of her questions was retarded (like the reasoning behind her being a lesbian). But I prefer to just assume that she isn't a bitch and is genuinly curious if a gay woman can be jealous of a straight woman. The answer is yes: atleast for myself. I'm not gay, but I would still want to be attractive (no matter my orientation) so I would certainly be jealous of an attractive girl.

OP may be retarded (I don't know) but she asked a legitimate question, and I'd rather just try to answer honestly for her curiosity and everyone else's who may be reading the thread.

Yeah, OP called another girl ugly, if I was trying to be straight-forward if I was asking this question I would probably not say 'ugly' but that would be essentially what it is. It's the internet, why would she care if she says 'ugly' or 'physically unattractive.' It's the same thing. I'm sure (and hope) she would show more compassion if she was addressing someone whose respect she valued. But then again... she could be a bitch.

 

:iagree:

Being `pretty` doesnt mean every guy will like you and be nice to you. Many probably do and are, but more than likely they just want in your pants.

an airhead is an airhead no matter how attractive they are.

sorry if im off, but you are not making a good impression in this thread.

 

I don't think I understand. A straight woman can even be jealous of a straight guy. People are jealous for lots of reasons.

 

You are doing the same thing as the OP though, even though you said her question was retarded. You are trying to work out the way they think by projecting the way you think.

Comes down to whats actually attractive, we are on a hippy forum so I'll use Janis Joplin as an example, someone who got more cred than perhaps her achievements or especially her looks deserved. But to some girls her coolness factor, strength or influence is going to be a lot hotter to them than her appearance.

And in amongst the homosexuals there is always that subset who hit a certain level of androgyny that makes them extra cool, like Shane from the L Word, probably the worlds coolest lesbian, so theres that stuff as well. Or it goes the other way like Maynard from Tool, who is a freaky looking dude, but there is still a certain level of androgyny in there that makes him uber cool and thus more compelling than say some one like Mel Gibson who is good looking but a complete whackjob

But whatever you do, dont assume the lesbians think like straight guys do and that they are motivated by your version of what looks good. Thats sounds so ridiculous to them and us.

Sometimes I say to people, better off thinking of G & L as the 3rd and 4th sex, would make it easier for you to try understand them

 

I can get that. When I wrote my response, I did use the term 'I' (assuming that it was of my own opinion) although I guess I should have been more clear on that. So to clarify, everyone is different and thinks differently. I THINK that if I were gay, I may still be jealous of attractive women and so I assume that it may also be the case for at least some gays/lesbians, but whoever OP is talking about could very well think completely different than me.

EDIT: for instance, I am certainly still capable of being jealous of an attractive intelligent man because those are qualities I wish I was born with. I see no reason why a gay woman could not be jealous of a straight woman. What reason is there that she wouldn't/couldn't be?

EDIT(2):

Me thinks I may not be the only guilty one?

 

so then it gets really confusing. So you are both attracted to them and at the same time they are your competition too..

How do they think then? so they like girls and at the same time they don't find those features that attract straight guys attractive? Like.. megan fox, or some other star who most men find hot wouldn't be desirable to them? What do they like then? A girl looking and acting like a guy? Why not date a guy then? Or maybe lesbians are just straight women who for whatever reasons have psychological issues and so feel uncomfortable around guys, and prefer musculine-looking members of their own sex instead..

people (most people at least) still tend to be more jealous of members of their own sex than opposite sex.. i guess it has biological reasons, (men and women are supposed to support each other not fight with each other or humans would die out) just like for instance people generally are more likely to believe someone of the opposite sex more .. i mean if the circumstances are similar, like if they are both strangers than a person is more likely to believe a stranger of the opposite sex than their own.. i didn't make it up myself tho it was psychologists who made those studies and they also mentioned "assuming a person is heterosexual" so then for gays and lesbians it's supposed to be the other way round...... maybe that girl IS a fake lesbian then..

 

This chick:



She's so cool. Basically all the good bits of a guy and all the goods bits of a girl combined, a certain amount of strength, bit of attitude, but she's still pretty, not bulgy muscly or even that masculine, doesnt have all that hair, and of course thinks with the brain thats in her head

Ok, so there would be some gay girls in the mix there that might go gaga for Meagan Fox, but for the most part, not the same attraction the straight guys have


For me its this guy:


There are beefy guys, prettier guys, better looking guys, but he has an intensity and control especially in the eyes that could be described as feminine, but he's not all that feminine, he drives me nuts.........if I met him in real life...the things I do to him....

That part comes off sounding like your issues, not issues you have with them

If you heard a straight guy say something like:

What would you think? Know any gay guys uncomfortable around girls? Know any lesbians uncomfortable around guys? - How would you know if you are not a guy?

 

So I may be reading you wrong, I've been known to do that, but is your confusion mainly based on the fact that this girl doesn't act attracted to you? By now you've completely confused me and I left out the last paragraph because I'm not even sure what you were trying to convey. I'm starting to get the idea that this particular girl is a little on what they call the "butch" side, and if that were so, I'd have to say she is likely not jealous of you...well, your looks anyway. And you have to keep in mind that people are different and not everyone holds the same standards of what is attractive and what is not. By the way you described yourself, I wouldn't find you attractive at all, there's nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with you, it's just a matter of personal taste. Not every lesbian has the same taste in other girls (I should clarify while I'm at it that I am not a lesbian, I am attracted to both males and females, though I lean to the straight side), some prefer the ones who look like guys, some prefer the girly ones. And the ones that go for the butch ones aren't just "confused" and uncomfortable around men, I've found most lesbians just don't like penises. Without a sex change, a butch girl is never going to have a penis.

I'm really not sure how else to respond because I'm not even sure what you are asking by now. I think we've established that yes, there is always a possibility that she is jealous of you for whatever because it is human nature. I know I have established that you are having some issues of your own with the whole thing. Could you be jealous of her deep inside? Not her looks, either, there's a lot of things people can be jealous of. Think about it.

 

i think that this girl that you showed here is.. too much.. like you can even find a guy who has the same style who is a real guy (straight and stuff) and at the same time is prettier and even more feminie than her.. well maybe not in real life.. (that's probably why girls remain the only option for someone who wants to date a person like that, guys are just scared to look gay and so are sometimes too musculine) but they exist.. this one:


and in real life these would be emo boys..again not too many of straight guys like that so this might be partly the reason..

so most lesbians wouldn't be attracted to girls like that then: They would just annoy them because they are too feminie, no "strength" or " real personality"? Even butches and dykes? Me on the other hand, I'm not a lesbian, not even bisexual really, but i would be (i am-) kinda attracted to the second girl .. btw to the second one.. not even "kind of"! a lott, i know, i know she is all "unnatural" and stuff but it doesn't even matter, and for some reason i actually like "unnatural" even better than "natural beauty", "natural beauty" doesn't attract me at all <btw i myself look almost exactly like them too> But to most lesbians they'd just be annoying dumb blondes then?

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The reason that lesbians would go for that girl over someone like, say, Criss Angel is because lesbians like OTHER GIRLS. I just don't see what you don't get about that. It's not about what they look like on the outside (aside from maaaaybe what's in the between the leg region). Girls and guys are different, regardless of the way they dress or act. If a girl is strictly into girls, she's going to go for the type of girls she likes, period. Lesbians are people, too. You don't like the natural beauty, but I do, we're different people with different tastes. Lesbians are different people with different tastes. Some would be into you, some would not. It's just life, that's the way people work. Is it really that hard to understand?

 

A lot of the trouble is the way the language gets interpreted

I get you, the 2nd girl has a real cool look to her, a little bit anime, perhaps something you'd like to copy, so when you say attracted, attracted to that image. But the way you've said it there, some are going to jump to "Oh, she's just a bi girl in denial" even though I doubt thats the case

There are all types, a lot of gay girls would be attracted to the girl in the first photo.

Some may even be attracted to the 2nd one, but I think most would see the barbie thing as trying to hard to get the attention of straight guys, even though that might not be the intention of the girl herself, that may just be the look she wants herself, maybe copied from Christina Aguielliera a gal she idolized growing up.

But you know yourself you dont just get the dumb blonde stereotyping from just the gay girls, it comes from all sections of society really

And what you've said here:

Suggests to me that its only really the male alpha type you've been hanging around with so far, or only paying attention to, maybe even your dad is like that - which would be the type your gay gal friend hates the most

I know you might be suspicious, because growing up you learned that if guys are mean to you it really means they like you, you think of the word lesbian and to try understand them you think lesbians like girls so they must think like straight guys do. Thus if this one is mean to you must mean she secretly is crushing on you. Or she's mean cos you think you are too hot for her and she's mean cos she cant get you.

Trouble with that thinking, is at your age too many guys are sex obsessed, so to a lot of other girls she represents a protector thats not going to treat them like an object, and there are a lot more bi girls than you realise, so irrespective of what she looks like, how hot YOU think she is, she probably has a lot more girlfriends than you realise, that are either girlfriends or girl-friends.

So if its something like you knowing a certain hot guy is going to be at a party that you want to get with, dont bring her along, she's just going to get in the way.

But if its something like you want to go to a music festival with a bunch of gal friends and you dont want to get hit on all the time, and your guy friends are just going to get too drunk and act like idiots, ask her along with her 'partner' - she'd make for the perfect bodyguard.

If she's overprotective of you, maybe she has a crush, or maybe she just sees that as her role, get to know her and its not going to take you too long to work out which it is

 

I agree that it is a bitch move. For a lot of years, Ive seen myself as a horrible person, due to the negative way Ive been treated by other's, and looking horrible on the outside. My personality doesn't match my appearance, but if you are really physically unattractive, a lot of people will make you feel that is the case. Which only adds to the bad feelings, if you already have issues with yourself. I am not a lesbian, but I am jealous of almost all women, because they are normal, and Im not. This goes even for the ones who are not physically very attractive. I think its just human nature, to wish to be attractive to members of the opposite sex (or to members of the same sex if you're gay) and that you'll be jealous of those who are if you yourself are not. I know everyone isnt attracted to the same thing, but Im talking in general. So I think it is very true, that its much more common to be jealous of people from the same sex, than the opposite sex. And Im sure this also applies to lesbians.

I also think its a myth, at least in general, that women become lesbian because they are "ugly" and "cant get a man". I have no doubts that Id find it much easier to find somebody to be with if I was a lesbian. But Im not wired that way, and cant make myself be. I am attracted to guys, and although that fact by default would make it much harder for me to find a partner, I would not start trying to be with a woman purely as a bi-product of that fact. Ive heard of people saying to certain women "you're too pretty to be a lesbian", which only highlights the huge misconceptions that many have about lesbians. "Pretty lesbians" in many respects, are just like "straight-acting" gay men. In that many people will wrongly mis-interpret their sexual orientation purely by their physical appearance.

Im not going to comment too much on the OP, as there's (usually anyway) two sides to every story, and it wouldnt surprise me if her "friend" has a very different version of events than the one described by the OP. And I know it has been explained that "it had to be said for the thread to make any sense" but generally speaking, people who call others "ugly" purely because of physical appearance, while calling themselves "pretty" are usually conceited, and not very nice people.

 

no she is not overprotective, and definitely not my friend, after couple of comments from this guy she blocked us both, and now i feel really uncomfortable even being in the same classroom with her (and she never skips) and she wants me to feel uncomfortable too. Like today we had math, and in math on fridays we sit together (just so happened) today i came late and i had to pass her to get to my seat i passed one person, they pulled their chair out of the way, then i wanted to pass her, she didn't do anything, pretended i wasn't there, i stood there for couple of seconds then said "excuse me" she ignored me, so i was standing there like an idiot, i already started thinking about what i was gna do if she just didn't let me pass or told me to sit somewhere else in front of the whole class, but then FINALLY she pulled her chair out of the way. she's retarded! I dunno she's weird, sometimes in class she just looks at me, like if i seat behind her and someone enters she pretends to turn to look at them but looks at me instead, but yea, if she wants to show me how she hates me she should really find some more mature ways to do that other than blocking my way with her chair!!
btw just came from school, and took couple of pictures of me, if u guys wanna see what i look like here: (those r not the best and in real life i look 100 times better, just most recent ones, and quality is shitty, but anyway) (and yea i do like taking pics of myself and i don't see why so many ppl are having problems with it, i'm not hurting anyone, just doing what i feel like doing.. )




and this one:

 

lol!!! word

 

oh also, i had no idea axle rose and joan rivers had a love child, who would've thought

 

well like i said.. people are just having problems with "live and let live" World is mostly free countries now, and yet one can't even do a simple thing without being criticized a 100 times..

 

The thread should have ended here.

/thread

 

freedom is a clever illusion.


nice gNr reference though, i dig

 

Utena
this is your first post.. so you registered just to say this? lol ..ok thank you i appreciate

 

I pretty much register every lesbian forum i find and this was the first topic of this forum.