Finally, Some Honesty in Big Buck Hunting

The downfall of this argument is that... animals weren't created.

As far as the 'unfair gun' thing goes, humans MADE the guns. Its 100% fair we use them. yes, I'd kill a lion that was attacking me if I could. Why? Because I am a human, and if the resources and opportunity to kill the lion were there I'd take them.
If you want to play the whole 'animals are our equals!11!' card, you have to look at it in the opposite way. The lion wouldn't let a zebra go just because the zebra couldn't defend itself. A hunter isn't going to let a deer go just because its the underdog.

You do realise where the shops get their food from right? Food doesn't just magically appear on the shelves. To gesture that pre-packaged meat is any more forgivable than hunting for yourself is idiotic.
You should support hunting long before you support slaughter houses. As far as 'cooking food' goes, you do actually have to have food before you cook it. And unlike the magical grocery store, hunting for animals is a source of food for all of the hunters I know.

I've never heard of someone killing a deer for fun, and leaving it to rot. Even those I know who enjoy hunting and do it for fun eat what they kill.

All that being said, I've never hunted a day in my life and have no desire to.

 

ahhhh i dont like hunting

 

Does the lion have any other option?

Where did I gesture that? I don't personally support the eating of meat, so I wouldn't say I'd rather animals are killed in slaughter houses.

I don't see where this point has come from - you said something about like condemning a hawk for using it's talons, and I answered that by saying that it has no other way of eating. Humans can survive without meat, the hawk would find it a lot harder.

I don't agree with it, but I also know it will carry on. So those who do agree should also acknowledge that not everyone will.

 

The complete lack of animal products in human consumption isn't at all a feasible option for us either.

To say the hawks hunting is forgivable because it doesn't have a grocery store to go to alludes that you feel human hunting is not forgivable because we do have grocery stores. Correct me if this wasn't your point.
However, to say this either means you haven't a clue where food comes from or choose to ignore that meat comes from animals despite where you obtain it.
My point was, meat from shops is far less humane than personal hunting anyway. If you meant to say that we have shops to go to buy ONLY non-animal based foods, then yes that may be the ideal case (from a vegan perspective) but it will never happen. And from this same perspective, a vegan might think that the purposeful killing of an animal is far more forgivable the brutal death (and life, for that matter) of an animal that is raised specifically for human consumption. That is, hunting is more humane than slaughter houses. So grocery stores for meat < hunting for meat.

 

You really think that I don't know that animal = meat?! I choose not to eat meat, because I don't like the killing of animals. I thought that would have been clear.

I said it will never happen.

I also said that hunting for necessity (food) is different to hunting for sport (fun).

 

you are..

 

I'll take your word on that one, but won't go and try it.

 

To each his own. For me, hunting is more of a bonding time with my grandfather/father/ other family that i hunt with. Its more about the comradery than it is killing the animal. I mean some people have hunted there whole lives and never killed a deer.

This weekend its bear season in my state, and you have 20 guys in a group that walk miles and miles driving woods out to find a bear. But when you do find an animal youre hunting you dont shoot a baby or kill the entire flock of geese off, if you do that you cant call yourself a hunter. Thats what you call as my grampa says, "a gunner". people who just buy a gun and a license and go shoot the first thing they see.

I heard a guy at a gas station today on my way home (i only went turkey hunting) and he said him and his group found a momma bear with 2 cubs underneath a pine tree, and they let it go. So hunters are not inhumane, blood thirsty savages looking for bambi. Its the total opposite. The hunters want to keep the animal herds healthy and around. Its the states that want you to kill everything. I mean they moved bear season this year to saturday so that more people can hunt, which means more revenue, more licenses, guns and ammo purchased, and more animals killed. It used to be on a monday. Same thing with gun season for deer, it starts on a monday but next year they wanna move it to saturday so more people buy licenses and guns and theres more "gunners" than hunters. Theyre also trying to open sunday up for hunting too next year. Its all bullshit.

If you meet a true hunter, hes more about conserving the land and the animals than you think

 

From what I know, many people who hunt, do so with family, though the generations. Most of the people I know who go fox hunting do so because they grew up with it.

I think people do see it differently that way, if it's what you knew growing up.

Hopefully most would do that, although as with everything you get people who wouldn't care about whether a bear has cubs.

I'm not saying people who hunt are bad people, but it is something I don't like.

 

would you rather have the deer population become so large that many of them die of starvation and getting hit by automobiles?

 

its illegal to shot bears with cubs, to lure them, to wake them from dens..

Bears are hunted only for 2/3 days max in the state of Pennsylvania and our bear population is ok..
bear season is set during the time the bear should be going in for winter/ sleeping. If it is not then chances are its still looking for food and possibly starving. Pulling a bear from its den is illegal .. you can lose your license for 5 to 10 yrs on big game like this..

Shooting a deer out of season/ or the wrong sex during its season is a slap on the wrist/ or a circle on one of your license points :<notes on the back of the license for the game commissions officers..

 

If you fucking hippies think hunting is bad you should see how they make hamburgers/hotdogs and all the other food for the general population....

 

or how they make cat food.. poor meeces..

 

Hunting can be extremely good for human and deer alike.

In Pennsylvania there is a real problem with overpopulation - the last few years they've had short periods where you were even allowed to hunt doe to try to keep them in check.

 

wowsa.

i think a line has to be drawn between hunting exclusively for sport and hunting for food, but the skill involved is what many people are attracted to. you have to work for the animal you bring home, if you find it, if you have the appropriate tags. hunting does not technically ensure killing. and if you do kill an animal, you do it as quickly and humanely as possible. its working for your food, just like gardening. those poor defenseless vegetables.

is it wrong to take pleasure in a honed skill? some people dont hunt, and we live in a society that can support those inclinations. but earlier humans did not have that luxury. i think if you dont plan to use the meat you should be shot, but thats more about being wasteful than being about hunting.

 

I dont agree with hunting for sport...but if its done for food in a traditional way thats totally ok with me

I dont hunt but I do go out with others for company and to serve as a second set of eyes...I suck at it though...my dad can see a friggin partridge a mile away and I was never good at seeing them unless theyre really close and moving


we missed out on a huge bull moose once because I thought it was a stump...after 10 minutes I notice the stump moved and had a huge set of paddle antlers..but by then it was too late ...it took 2 steps and dissappeared into the edge of a cut

 

this one is real jen...shot this morning and butchered by noon bt a friend of mine..aimost 12 @200 pounds...small one

 

i'll let you know how he tastes

 

delicious i imagine...

 

i think it's great how dumb people are on the forums about conservation/hunting.

whether for sport or not - there are laws that protect the animals and the practice of hunting is awesome.
it is more harmful to the populations of animals to NOT hunt them