Islamic terrorists to blame for violence in Falluja

Now that Falluja has fallen to US and Iraqi troops, information is coming to light about the 8-month reign of terror installed by Iraqi insurgents and foreign terrorists. The Mujahedeen Advisory Council (MAC) chaired by hard-line cleric Abdallah Janabi was made up of radical clergymen and militants. Decrees were enforced by violence and terror.

Falluja residents say that selling video and music cassettes was forbidden; of course, selling alcohol, too, was outlawed. Anyone violator was flogged. Women had to cover themselves from head to toe or they could face the death penalty. Given the number of mutilated bodies of women US troops found, this was no idle threat. US soldiers also found charred bodies and torture chambers in various homes in the city. On city streets a decree bearing the insurgents' insignia—two Kalashnikovs propped together in a triangle—orders vendors to remove nine market stalls from outside the city's library on the pretext that the building had to be turned into the MAC headquarters.

Some residents said: “We would see unknown corpses around the city all the time.” “We were scared of the Mujahadeen, we were frightened of them,” confided 24-year-old Iyad Assam. “They would wear black masks, carry rocket-propelled grenades and Kalashnikovs, and search streets and alleys. When they had a problem with a resident they either killed him or threw him in jail.” “I would hear stories,” he added, “about how they executed five men one day and seven another for collaborating with the Americans.” Many Falluja residents complain about what US military action did, about the many “innocent killed in the bombings”; still they wish “the Americans had come here the very first day and not waited eight months to retake the city”.

The US-Iraqi offensive against the insurgents is not over yet. Fighting is still taking place in the southern part of the city where US troops are going door-to-door searching for militants and terrorists. So far 1,200 insurgents have died in the US assault on Falluja, which began on November 8. US casualties include 39 soldiers killed and 278 wounded. Iraqi troops suffered 5 dead. The US has also taken into custody 1052 people including 15 foreigners.

Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Barham Salih has defended the assault on the city. In an article published in The Guardian, he said: “It would have been better for everyone if this could have been done peacefully. So for many months, the Prime Minister, Ayad Allawi, and my colleagues in the interim government have made repeated efforts to negotiate a peaceful resolution. We have continually said that the political process remains open to those who renounce violence. It still does.”

In the meantime, US TV stations have been running the videotape of a US marine shooting at an unarmed, wounded man inside a mosque. The scene was shot by an NBC journalist who said that the wounded man was killed in cold blood. The marine has been removed from his unit and taken to the headquarters of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, and the Navy's Criminal Investigative Service has started an investigation.

In the last few hours, about a thousand US troops involved in Falluja have been moved to Mosul, Iraq’s third largest city, in order to re-establish control after several attacks against the local police force. (LF)

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If you read the 'about' link you will see that your source has a questionable religious theme to it.

The sponsor (link at the bottom) seems to be an advertising agency. (I can't speak Italian)

Therefore I suggest that this is a suspicious source of information, can you back it up with a report from a mainstream news agency?

 

I don't doubt that Islamic extremists are involved in the Iraqi nationalist movement. But let us not forget that it is a nationalist movement! A US think tank estimated there were around 1,000 foreign al Quaeda fighters operating within Iraq. These people may have their own agenda, but there are thousands more within Iraq who, for different reasons, want the western occupation to end....

 

No need to the BBC and mainstream news have just recently reported finding torture chambers and places where western hostages were held in Fallujah. They also found the body of executed westerner Margrat Hassan who was found with her limbs chopped of. This proves that those leading the insurgency are out and out savages.

Many ordinary Iraqis may want the Americans out of their country, but I think they prefer the Americans to Islamic insurgents anyday.

 

Nothing has yet been confirmed about Margaret Hassan, the body has not yet been positively identified ... unless I'm behind here.

This could also be said about the torture chambers, anyway that article was virtually comparing insurgents with Taleban, nothing to do with westerners.

The first victim in any war is always the truth.

 

and just out of a sortof related topic apprantly the US are using them pesky chemical weapons again


"Anger that is seething throughout Iraq and the world over the assault on Fallujah turn to rage yesterday as an Iraqi physician came forward to confirm reports of the use of banned chemical weapons in Fallujah. Speaking on the condition of anonymity to the Panorama radio station, the physician said he had just examined two dead bodies and confirmed that the victims died of banned chemical weapons. The physician found no evidence of bullet wounds, shrapnel, or any objects penetrating the bodies.

It is worth noting that Mufkarat al-Islam was the first to alert readers to the use of chemical weapons by American occupying force on 11/11/2004. Since that time there have been several reports that US occupation troops has resorted to using chemical but none that could be independently verified.

34 Victims Of Banned Chemical Weapons Buried In Fallujah

It is also interesting how concerned the American occupying forces were about burying the bodies that lay on the outskirts of the Jowlan neighborhood for burial in Al-Saqlawiah, with many mainstream reports that the occupiers where “cleaning up” the dead. Now we have the answer.

Local citizens who came to retrieve their lost ones were frisked to make sure that none of them brought cameras to document the crime using chemical weapons. American occupiers also insisted on accompanying those citizens from the moment of removing the bodies up until the final burial. 20 bodies including two women and a child were removed on Monday, 14 more on Tuesday. Mufkarat al-Islam correspondent confirmed that the dead bodies were swollen, yellow colored, and had no smell. A number of citizens requested permission to go inside Jowlan neighborhood to remove the dead but they were told (through an interpreter) that Americans cannot go with them because they do not control that area inside. A woman fleeing the war torn zone informed Mufkarat al-Islam’s correspondent that she witnessed Americans putting bodies in black plastic bags and dumping them in the river.

Observers agree on one thing- Americans decided to use chemical weapons after they failed to defeat the Mujahideen in Fallujah – both a cowardly and inhumane act. The Mujahideen inflicted heavy losses on the US forces in al-Fallujah prompting the Americans to employ chemical weapons for the first time since the fall of Baghdad. Reports have been received that US forces used chemical weapons in the al-Jawlan, ash-Shuhada’, and al-Jubayl neighborhoods and again last night in al-Jubayl neighborhood.

Is this how intends to deal with the rest of the Sunni heartland?"


http://trackingterrorism.com/Default.asp?dismode=article&artid=922

 

Many ordinary Iraqis are the insurgents....

 

Quite how pro-war people can view the presence of foreign extremists in Iraq as vindication of the invasion or the policies of the occupying forces is beyond me ... there was no Islamic extremism in Iraq prior to the invasion. Proof if it were needed that the invasion has made the region and the world a far more dangerous place.

It seems likely there are possibly thousands of foreign fighters involved in the resistance. But the resistance right across the country consists of many tens if not hundreds of thousands of people taking up arms against occupation (there was an estimate a few weeks ago of 50,000 fighters involved in armed resistance in Iraq). A vast majority of these are clearly ordinary Iraqis. One of the reasons the resistance is so strong right across the country is that many thousands upon thousands of ordinary Iraqis are so desperately opposed to the occupation that they are prepared to join up with Islamist fighters - people who are not fighting for the freedom of Iraq - to oppose the occupation. Such is their desperate opposition to this brutal imperialist occupation. A tragedy.

 

Not totally correct. You view Iraq in isolation from the rest of the Middle East. There was and had been for decades Islamic extremism in the Middle East and as far east as Afghanistan and Pakistan. The invasion of Iraq has not increased the amount of Islamic extremism in the region as a whole just shifted its focus. We would still be faced with the threat of Islamic extremist terrorism had we not invaded Iraq. The unprovoked September 11th attacks by Al Qaeda which occured before the war on terrorism are testamont to this.

 

By invading Iraq we've not only turned our backs on the real issue of Islamic extremism and how to counter it (and by that I don't mean the butchering we did in Afghanistan) but we've also provided fertile recruiting ground for the terrorists. Every child sitting amongst a pile of rubble which has buried the rest of his family, could be tomorrow's bin Laden....

 

Yeah, major drag huh?

I say that tackling terrorism is or at least should be a police matter, not a military one. I've found that for starters, the police have caught far more terrorists and prevented more attacks than any army. The military can only serve to exacerbate the problem whereas the police help to 'break the cycle' (so long as they don't keep their prisoners in horrible places such as Guantanemo Bay). If the coalition worked with the Iraqi government to set up a strong enough (but fair) police force then they'd be far more effective at catching the insurgents. Of course given all the shit that's going on now I don't think the Iraqi government would want to co-operate with the coalition very much. Like I say, war simply breeds more terrorists.

 

But we have given them a focus, a reason to fight, a reason to recruit more people to attack western interests, another reason for them to hate the west, we've made the mostly moderate and secular Iraqi people consider teaming up with Islamists in order to oppose the occupation ... yay, way to fight extremism!

 

I agree that terrorism is a criminal not a military matter. But I think the reason the military is still being used to crush Iraqi resistance is not that the interim
government doesn't want to co-operate with the US in the training and use of police, but that it is the US which dictates what the interim government's policies actually are. Remember Prime Minister Allawi is a former CIA operative, the interim government is full of American puppets. It's in America's interests to maintain military dominance over the people of Iraq. They want to exert imperialistic control over the country and crush any opposition to their imposition of a western-friendly government which will happen next year - there's really not much likelihood we will see a genuine expression of the democratic will of the people in January. If the Americans left it up to Iraqis to control what is happening in the country there's a real danger of a genuinely democratic anti-western movement taking control... The last thing the Americans want is true democracy in Iraq.

 

Like I guessed, it wasn't the body of Margaret Hassan.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,1271,-4647715,00.html

 

Bollocks Al Qaeda was attacking western targets long before the war on terrorism began after the 9/11 attacks. The first major attack by Islamic terrorists on American soil happened in 1993 over 8 years before!

Also Islamic terrorists are not all poor. Osama bin Laden for example is a multi-billionaire. He is using most of his vast fortune to finance Al Qaeda. The poor generally in arab countries do not turn to Islamic extremism. Islamic extremism is motivated by religous indoctrination by corrupt Islamic clerics not poverty! The starving poor of worn torn African countries for example do not turn to Islamic extremism, even though many countries in Africa are Islamic. Islamic extremism is also unkown in Turkey and alomst unkown in Indonesia two of the worlds' biggest Islamic countries.

Also the vast majority of Iraqi people reject the so called Islamic extremist resistance in Iraq and want democratic elections to take place. They want to work with the allies to rebuild their country. Hence the vast number of Iraqis clammering to join the new Iraqi national army and national police.

There is a simple way to bring peace to Iraq that is to send more troops there and call on other countries to send troops there too. Once troop levels have been beefed up in Iraq the Islamic extremists will soon be defeated.

 

Oh yes you can! The reason the terrorism has gone on for so long in Iraq is that there are far too few troops there. Only 150,000 in total. During Gulf War one there were over half a million and Iraqs' army was crushed within weeks. If we sent in more troops the insurgents in Iraq would be crushed within days! How? With more troops we could seal the borders around Iraq to stop foreign terrorists and supplies that these terrorists need like weapons getting into Iraq. Terrorist areas could also be surrounded driving the terrorists into small areas from which they would be no escape. Troops could then be send into those areas to arrest and destroy the terrorists there.

 

So you are advocating a military dictatorship then? I thought that's what they were supposed to be liberated from.

 

You're a bit thick, aren't you?

 

They got lucky a few times, they killed a few thousand people. We've given them the best present they could hope for by bolstering the importance of the Islamic extremist movement, killing hundreds of thousands of arabs in Iraq and consequently giving "al-Qaeda" a recruiting ground. We have hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people considering joining up with and fighting alongside the likes of al-Zarqawi simply to oppose occupation. It is an absolute gift to the extremists.

There's no evidence for this. On the contrary the occupation is incredibly unpopular, and actions like the destruction of Fallujah is making some groups distance themselves from and pull out of the whole "democratisation" process. There are many many tens of thousands of ordinary Iraqis fighting against occupation. This is not a few isolated extremists, it is a popular movement.

Oh, like Fallujah? Using overwhelming force in heavily populated areas? Good plan! Tell you what, why don't we just kill everyone in Iraq then they can't possibly get in the way of the reshaping of Iraq as a West-friendly puppet, can they?