Should we have pets?

i don't know anyone who keeps cows as pets

but no, i don't know how to speak to them, i usually just ride on by saying "don't worry about me, i don't eat you guys"

:cowboy:

having animal companions though, is an excellent way to learn interspecies communication

you can touch noses with cats too - but not all of them, and you have to know them pretty well

[you know what happens to nosy fellows? they lose their noses]

 

Observing the wild animals in nature shows us what they like. Communicating with wild animals is great.
Its like when you make a permaculture garden, you know from observation in the nature under which circumstances a plant grows well and you reproduce those conditions in the permaculture garden.
Unfortunately most people dont know what neither their vegetables nor their pets really need to be healthy and happy. How can they when they dont even know what they need themselves to be happy and healthy
Exposing yourself to thousands of toxic chemicals in modern houses is one thing but exposing an animal to such toxic environment is an other thing.

 

eh?

generally you hide so they don't see you

when they do see you, they either run away or come at you

either way there's not a hell of a lot of communication

apart from fear or hunger . . .

 

cats live much longer indoors than out, i suppose dogs too [though again, not my field]

ohsodreadful, do you actually believe the things you say?

my cats don't sit all day long in a cave - they sit all day long in big comfy chairs

 

It takes time, when you live in nature and when you freed yourself of any outer or inner stress, you give peaceful signals to the animals and many of them make contact with you. Especially birds love to communicate- I talk to all the wild birds and they always respond, birds are so cool and they love to help if you need help in nature.

 

I dont believe this is true but even if its true, the years of life dont say anything about the quality of life.
A dog in nature would never rest in an area as small as an appartement, a cat neither. If they did that in nature, it would be only because they are sick.

 

well, i guess being warm, well-fed, disease-free, and unafraid is probably not what you might consider "quality of life"

i have two cats in my house right now, reggie and ronnie, about 7-8 months of age, feral kittens i tamed first, and then caught

each is approximately 1 1/2 times the size of their feral mother and father because they have been wormed

instead of sleeping under an abandoned car [frequent local feral cat nest of choice], they sleep in chairs, on the bed, anyplace soft and warm

instead of sleeping in 50 below weather this winter, they will sleep in 60 above [we set our furnace at its lowest setting]

instead of being afraid of every cat, dog, raccoon, or human being around them, instead of fighting and risking injury and death, they have friends, both other cats and humans, and live in an environment free from stress, free from hunger

so stop talking out of your ass about things you obviously know nothing about

 

i think pets are fantastic,not only for the owner but the pet itself

 

i don't know what you're saying, but here's what the bird is probably saying:

 

The thing is we messed up the natural habitats of animals and we made them so degenerated that they couldnt survive in their natural ecosystem any more. Neither this nor keeping those purpously degenerated animals like cats or dogs, altered by the human mind, in appartmends is good when its just for fun. Maybe keeping worms or cockroaches is ok in an appartement but I dont think its ok for anything bigger than a mouse. For any birds I think its not ok to lock them in.

 

yes, and now that it is messed up we have to take responsibility for what we have done

that does not mean abandoning domesticated animals to their fate

btw, domesticated dogs and cats didn't even exist before us - we made them

[there were wolves and a small wild cat in egypt, as far as i know]

they are ours - we can either befriend them or ignore them

i've seen what happens when they're ignored, and it isn't pretty . . .

 

wholeheartedly agree here. living in a cave w/ a wolf. living in a submarine w/a dolphin, manta ray, etc.. or in outer space. i think these would be more inline w/ an animal companion. this, as we would be more on their level. it`s true however that some people do take care of pets. actually we have a law on the ballot here in missouri about puppy mills. i dunno whether it passed or not. some people were actually suspicious of it, as they thot it was another way for govt to interfere w/ us. in my opinion anti puppy mill legislation is probably one of the only things govt is good for.

 

Sure, we have also some abandoned animals which live now at the farm getting free food. There are even some dogs and cats. But they dont reproduce any more. We decided to grow these animals by crossing them and we can decide to stop crossing them. So all the money that goes for buying and selling pets and all the costs we can help the animals in nature with all that money, keeping pets just where we REALLY NEED them and not to compensate for our social solitude or boredom or fears.

 

and i agree wholeheartedly about the mills

we don't need to make any more dogs and cats - there's already way too many of them

of course i feel the same about human animals . . .

 

who are you to determine need?

and what about what the animals need?

though i do agree about buying and selling - there are enough stray domesticated animals for everyone "to compensate for our social solitude or boredom or fears"

kinda judgemental though, aren't you?

edit to add: i know several cats that love humans, but hate - or are at least indifferent towards - other cats

where does that fit into your thinking?

 

indeed population density is quite a problem. probably one of the reasons we have so many natural disasters lately.

 

our social attitude boredom or fear quite honestly isn`t as important as taking care of those less fortunate than us. universal inertia has bigger fish 2 fry as it were. humans really don`t have a whole lotta things going for them unless humility is thrown in. if we only rely on brains, & maybe a socalled spirtual thing, uhh those can be twisted around. & some only rely on brains, which sometimes twist themselves.

 

thats ridiculous. cats and dogs were domesticated over a thousand years ago. People do seriously have a god complex, but in this case its a god complex thats over a thousand years old. Animals that have been domesticated cannot survive in the wild; they were bred to thrive on human contact. Humans cannot begin releasing domestic animals into the wild because all of a sudden we decide that it was wrong of our ancestors to domesticate them.

 

i just came back from walking and in a house i saw on theyr back yard a chiken. it was tied up by the leg and at first i was like WTF??? and then i thought they were gonna eat it for thanksgiving or something, so i was thinking about freeing it. but right when i was about to jump the fence i thought Where the hell am i gonna keep it and what do i feed it? i live in a VERY small apartment. i still feel bad for the chiken.... anybody knows PETAs # or sumthin?

 

rather than commit a crime, which will only make the cause of animal rights appear to be criminal . . .

[rightly or wrongly]

. . . isn't there anything positive you can do to help the hundreds or thousands or millions of other animals in need?