Another Ego-Death question

So I've been reading up this subject a lot and have done shrooms once but never acid. I plan on taking acid within the week and my question is: if you experience this phenomenon of ego-death does it last the whole trip or is it shorter than that?
-Thanks

 

It will most likely be shorter but it can be a lengthy portion of the trip, it can also be just a few minutes as well.

 

It can be anything from a brief moment to several hours. it will only happen during peak effects though. ego death is more "clean cut" on mushrooms than LSD, you would need to take quite a large LSD dose to approach even moderate-dose mushroom ego softening effects.

 

Reactions vary, Ive had ego death on 3 hits of LSD.

 

When I did 15 mg of 2-Cp I kept asking myself who i was and I would ask people if i was me? is that ego death? Like I would forget everything about myself and where i was and who i was with...

 

"i kept asking myself who i was and i would ask people if i was me"

sounds like the ego's all still there, maybe just confused, but certainly not gone imo

ego death there won't be any talking with people. there won't be a "you" to talk

 

Never the whole trip, but small amounts of time can seem incredibly dilated in this state. I've had a lot of ego-death experiences with various doses of various materials and various combinations. The trips have never begun nor ended in this state, even if they have been dominated by it. Time on the realtime clock varies, depending on dose, trip content, resistance level, material being used, etc.

 

Hmmm... the way you describe it sounds more like disassociation but ego death is losing your sense of self and essentially becoming part of the enviornment as energy and awareness. That last sentence you wrote sounds a bit like it, its certainly a difficult concept to articulate.

 

i like how richard alpert describes what we call ego death toward the end of this video. its called ram dass on lsd, but i think he is also talking about psilocybin as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hW6Dm_m5t4"]YouTube - Richard Alpert (Ram Dass) on LSD

 

Wow, it is so hard to put into words. Completely out of body. If even able to "think" one knows convincingly that one is dead whether or not one remembers how one got there, whether or not one struggles or surrenders. Seeing "spirits" or "ghosts" has accompanied this state twice for me, never anyone I knew. The ultimate Entanglement. All-One. Nowhere and everywhere. Lost in time, which (time as a fluid concept that moves in a steady, forward direction) is meaningless. Consciousness reduced to smaller than the size of a singularity and simultaneously expanded infinitely. Very, very lost; always very, very lost. It can be blissful, the ULTIMATE ecstasy. It can be harrowing, the ULTIMATE hell. Kinda just depends on how you go into it, your tripping/surrendering skills, your set & setting, etc.

 

I find that after a bad trip I have a nice afterglow where I appreciate everything more and learn some valuable lessons

It doesn't matter how long the ego-death is, it'll feel like forever.

 

Ego death depends on various things, starting from dose, than material, set, setting, sound, surroundings.....
I had expirienced it many times and the lenght varies from couple minutes to couple hours, depending on already mentioned things.
The longest I expirienced ego death was for 4 hours, witch felt like 4 ethernities.
It was on a strong dose of LSD (600 ugs) and 1/4 of a gram of Kethamine.
I wrote a TR: http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=288297&f=117

The intersting part was when I tried to answer to questions of other hipforum members, only then through answering to them I actualy got the message what I learned on that trip. When you go through ego death, it is actualy very important to try as much to recal the FEELINGS you went through and to try to desribe those feelings by words, one by one. That way you manage to recal most of the trip, otherwise you settle with the fact that it can not be put in words and you forget those feelings and you don't bring anything back with you, other then the fact that it was amazing. But every time you go that deep, you learn the lesson, will you remember it, depends on the technique you use to recall what you went through. I find it, as I already said, the easiest to remember the feelings when you are going through it, and to label the methafore to each feeling after the trip.
Anyway, I got carried away hahaha
Love and Peace!!!

 

This is an interesting theme in your posts in the LSD and DMT forums. And, I believe a relevant one. Yet, you don't offer much in terms of rock-solid technique on how to solidify and consolidate the memories other than saying take DMT with LSD and here I think I am reading you saying, essentially, name the feelings while you are still in the state so that you can bring back something with real words.

This has been a helpful technique to me with DMT, BUT it can also make the trip go sideways. To put it briefly, in such a state it is best to go with the flow. There is such a thing as over-thinking, over-intellectualizing (I do it ALL the time and curse my left brain.).

How would you suggest a tripper interested in healing, insight AND bringing material back go about trying to balance this equation?

 

There is no thought, no sense of boundry, your concisousness becomes that of the here and now, it is all feeling. The concept of individuality no longer applies. It is heaven.
Differntiation between anything dissapears, all is perceived as one.

 

There is slight misunderstanding there. I never said label the feeling WHILE you are tripping, when you are tripping just go with the flow, don't concentrate on thought pattern, concentrate on feelings. And then WHEN YOU COME DOWN, try to remember every little feeling you had and label the methafore for each one.
And there is so many different feelings you can expirience while tripping, but if you concentrate on thought pattern, you will forget the feelings, for pure fact that thought pattern is too hectic and it just confuses you. But feelings are not confusing at all, they happen one, or just few at the same moment, so if you put aside what you are thinking in that moment and just follow the feelings, it is less hectic and definitely more pleasurable and more rememberable, if that makes any sence.
I will give you few examples, that maybe you felt, maybe you didn't, or maybe you did, but you forgot, just because you were concentrating on what you are thinking.
Have you ever felt a slight pressure in the top of the stomak, just below the spot where the rib cage is connected, similar to a feeling of beeing hungry, but slightly different? I always feel that pressure when I telepathicly connect to somebody tripping with me, and it is usually carried by the music. Or have you felt something like your chest spreading soo much that you want to explode from love, or happinnes?
Or have you felt like the energy flowing up through your spine untill it reaches the head and then it feels like slight tingeling where your third eye is located?
I can go like this on and on, but every feeling like that that I remember, brings visulas that I head in that moment and if you try to explain all that in words, you get the message you brought back with you.

It is very difficult to say do this and this and that, and that is rock solid tehnique to remember what you learned on your trip, it all varies from person to person, but I noticed that this way of tripping, firstly helps you go deeper on your trip, helps you feel new feelings, and later AFTER trip, it is much easier to remember what you felt in that moment and by remembering the feeling, it brings you like a story board consisted of visuals and that leads you again to a thought, and that leads you to describe it in words (not fully definitely) the message you brought back with you.
When you concentrate on feelings, and leave aside thought pattern, you also leave all your fears (because they usualy come from your thought pattern) and let you dive way deeper in to the "psychedelic world", it lets you "let go" properly.
I usualy like to meditate on love, sending love to everything and everybody, and that feeling gets so strong, but gives you such a happy note on the introduction in to your trip, and if you follow that feeling, it leads you to other new, or already expirienced feelings. And if you get lost, or the trip starts to be hectic, you just switch back to that strong love feeling and it changes whole trip back to a lovely one. If you are unable to switch back to "love feeling", try to discover what are you exactly feeling, what is that one witch is making your trip difficult, and when you discover it, try to see where is it leading you. Do not follow thought pattern in that moment, as it can be very confusing and difficult trip if you do, just follow up the feelings. If you manage to discover that feeling that is giving you a hard time, AFTER tripping when you remember it, you will probably find out that that is what you need to change about yourself.
Maybe all this looks confusing, but if it does, please do ask more questions and I will try to elaborate or to try to explain it different way.

 

^ golden

 

Thanks my friend, I am glad it makes sence.

Anything to add?

 

It is just all about feeling. Thoughts can be great, but they are in reality just chatter. The more you focus on the feeling, the more deeper you will go.

 

That post was not confusing, it was filled with real nuggets of experiential wisdom. I cannot do it every time but when I use the techniques you describe I get profound and healing results, or at least results that let me see what the truth of the problem/injury really is.

I am not trying to be contrary, but here I go on a rant: This seems like profoundly good advice for tripping technique. And yet, there is perhaps a fundamental divide between those who are left brained and those who are right brained. I do not mean to harp on this but, seriously, be it ego delusion or not, I have a much better developed memory process for visual input rather than pure feelings. Feelings are fast, fleeting, ephemeral, shifting (he he kinda like DMT visions) and IMHO often productive of delusion in and of themselves. Anything other than love that is. You touched the core of the issue with a fine tipped needle on that one. Love is the real key.

 

^ Yah I agree, even the concept of mixed feelings comes up in sober conversation almost always when an individual is confused.