Alcohol by far the worst drug

Stick to the plants and chemicals boys and girls, alcohol is a killer!

 

hmmmm..


and it's talking about the social detriments of alcohol, not even comparable to heroin and crack social detriments because it is enormously more used than heroin or crack because it is legal and normal.

if heroin and crack had the same legality and norm, crack and heroin would definitely hands-down be more dangerous. for example, potency of a heroin is much less distinguishable than the potency of an alcohol. and as far as addiction, the physical addictions of heroin and crack is much more harmful. alcohol is more controllable in both of these aspects.

 

no way in hell is alcohol the most dangerous drug.

 

The study was making a point on how we stigmatize other drugs, yet alcohol by itself is moderately dangerous, but due to the vast amount of people who consume combined with how much it's basically condoned it does by far costs the most damage, especially socially.

Realistically if all drugs were done equally I'd say alcohol should be in the lower middle of the list.

 

I agree 100%. Alcohol IS the most dangerous drug, because it's so widely accepted/used, as well as the fact that most people don't even view it as a "drug".

 

And I don't disagree with that idea at all; but there is no way that I can condone the way this study is being spun.

And I also do not agree with: "The most harmful to others were alcohol, heroin and crack in that order." Crack can destroy whole neighborhoods; alcohol has never been known to do that.

"For overall harm, the other drugs examined ranked as follows: crystal meth (33), cocaine (27), tobacco (26), amphetamine/speed (23), cannabis (20), GHB (18), benzodiazepines (15), ketamine (15), methadone (13), butane (10), qat (9), ecstasy (9), anabolic steroids (9), LSD (7), buprenorphine (6) and magic mushrooms (5)"
Now, I certainly agree that mushrooms and LSD are barely harmful -- but marijuana more harmful than methadone, ketamine, GHB and steroids?

All those drugs can kill people and fry their brains.

 

yea theres tons of sober people that would OD on heroin if only it was legal
think really hard for a second do you really think that theres a significant part of the population that doesnt do heroin solely because it is illegal? drugs are readily available all over the US, lots of places they sell them right on the street

anyway i think it was already proven in the netherlands that drug legalization does not lead to increased drug use

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although i agree cannabis is much healthier than them ive never heard of any of these drugs having permanent mental effects

 

Not sure, when it was tolerated in Switzerland, the smokers compartments of regional trains were packed with kids after school that smoked joints, it was crazy but still a lot better and more peaceful than now when they tend to drink more alcohol instead. Now with people not smoking in public any more its difficult to see how many people are smoking now...

 

i dont think the netherlands is a good comparison to if the US or all of Europe was to legalize a drug like heroin.
1) because in a larger population, norms are more broad. an individual can relate to more people outside their face-to-face life
2) alcohol has deeply sunken into culture with weed being the second most, you cannot say that about heroin or crack
3) the netherlands outlaws all artificial drugs like heroin and crack.

 

Yes, I definitely think that. The fact that it's illegal is a very powerful motivator, for many people. I know lots of people who have said numerous times that they'd love to be smoking weed and/or using other drugs, but they don't want to risk losing their jobs for failing a drug test, or they just don't want to risk going to jail.

 

I'd disagree, alcohol has ruined entire neighborhoods before, especially pre crack, slums were generally alcohol infused instead of crack infused. Nature has a funny irony in the fact it seems a good deal of people who are alcoholics tend to be people who should never drink period, who become violent and delusional, and just aren't merry drunks. Alcoholics have a habit of being violent, plus drunks tend to be drunk a lot, a good deal of the day. While crackheads may wish they could smoke crack all day, it generally doesn't work out that way. Most people aren't functioning crackheads, most alcoholics are functioning alcoholics though, which means they hold down a job, then the second they get out of work spend their money knocking back the booze, and generally have families to go home to and cars to drive around.

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Method of intake needs to be considered too when doing a study. Regardless of the fact weed doesn't cause cancer, most weed consumers consume it by smoking it. Inhaling burning hot smoke and embers into your lungs is extremely bad for them.

Plus a lot of stoners do get lazy and just straight up burnt out. GHB is pretty safe when not being used in high doses as a date rape drug, as is ketamine. Methadone has a very small recreational base and is pretty healthy as a long term medication, while steroids really aren't that dangerous despite what they tell us in high school(But really no one do steroids)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwDRBm-qbQI"]YouTube - The Streets - Irony of it All

 

Injecting ketamine runs all the risk of needles, snorting it runs the risk of nasal damage. Plenty of ketamine users have urinary tract infections and abdominal pains in less than a year of using. Ghb and the stronger gbl is highly addictive with a slight difference between being high and overdosing. It being used as date rape should certainly factor in as well. I do not like how the study was spun either and that graph I saw is very weak. Including some more variables on the graph to help explain results would have been much better.

 

what does drug legalization have to do with employer drug testing? the drug testing is here to stay regardless of legalization man
and for the people you know that "dont wanna risk going to jail" are not talking about the hard drugs ive been referring to the whole time (meth heroin crack) and anyone with half a brain can figure out a way to do drugs without going to jail

anyone who says theyd be trying hard drugs for the first time if they were legal are really fucking pathetic and it is not our governments job to protect them from their own irrational behavior

 

No, if something is fully legal, then employers will no longer have the right to drug test anyone for it.

 

WRONG...

employers test for alcohol.. so why would testing change? i've also read many of articles where medical marijuana was legal in certain states and patients with med cards(legal pot smokers) were fired for failing piss tests

 

A former poster (I don't want to drop names) that I am friends with went crazy during methadone withdrawal after extremely heavy usage; I don't think psychosis is a common effect though, to be fair.

Anabolic steroids can cause mood disorders; ketamine can cause bad brain damage with heavy use.

Good point.

Steroids are REALLY bad for you.

As far as stoners getting lazy and burnt-out; all evidence is anecdotal so it's really hard to argue one way or another. I'm sure we all know people who show both negative effects and positive effects of heavy marijuana use.
But I don't see how laziness is as bad as the possible adverse effects of the other drugs.

 

I've known of employers testing for alcohol to see if the person was drunk while at work, but not for pre-employment testing.

I've also heard of people not being able to get jobs because of certain prescriptions they have. However, I don't think this would be the case if those drugs were legal for recreational use, instead of only medicinal use.

 

employers wont have the right to test anyone for shit but if you want a job the employer is going to ask you to sign an contract that says you agree not to take drugs while your an employee there and that you will submit to random drug tests if asked to.

 

As fukt up as it is, that is very possible........and ghey.