Detached Rhombus Psychedelia (4-me0-pcp +2cb)

So this was a strange combination and a rather strange day too. I originally planned to take 2cb first and then 4-me0-pcp at the peak inspired by comments from the author D.M.Turner about his success with 2cb and ketamine. About an hour before ingestion I had some kind of unfortunate news come up and suddenly i decided that the 2cb was not going to help this situation. I gave up hopes on the 2cb and instead planned on just consuming the 4-me0-pcp.

Part 1
I injected 100 mgs of 4-me0-pcp. Based on prior experience with this route of administration I knew it is far more effective than oral or plugged with this compound. Within 8 minutes a drunken dissassociate state started creeping up on me as my vision slightly blurred and took on the quality of someone moving a camera around but could never keep it steady. Within 10 minutes the euphoria came and oh man do I love the euphoria from this stuff. This is the by far the most euphoric diassociative drug I have experienced and rivals mdma in my experience. There is such a lucidity in the cognitive aspect of this drug unlike ketamine and dxm that you are able to just constantly bask in the waves that course throughout the body. I put on some music and started dancing, if injection was not a stigmatized route of administration I see alot of potential in this stuff as having a lot of recreational value. I was enjoying it but simultaneously wishing I would have held off until The chemical Brothers show this weekend. The energy on this stuff is amazing and I could feel my heart pounding as I danced blissed out to the sounds emanating from the speakers in a very robotic yet controlled fashion.

After awhile, I headed outside in the scorching hot Southern California weather and I felt as if I could actually feel a distinction between my skull and the rest of my head. Everything seemed very artificial and dull but not unpleasant. I had a sense of being a transformer and any moment I thought shoulder or forehead would flip inside out to reveal some electronic machinery to scan the area. The heat kind of got to me and took away some of the euphoria so after a short while I headed back inside. I took another small shot of about 20 mgs to maintain my level and then the experience started to feel a bit heavy, not unpleasant at all but I just wanted to lie and listen to music. Like I said I love the lucidity of this stuff, I didn't feel all groggy and out of it like K or Dxm, I was very well aware but my thoughts still tending towards aging and death. I kept questioning is this state that I am currently in living? is going out on the weekend and getting shitfaced drunk living? I definitely desired to be around others on this stuff to get feedback on some of the questions circling around in my head. I decided somewhere in here that I would take the 2cb and I thought that the slightly detached mindstate of the dissassociative would kind of blur out some of the cognitive aspects of the 2cb. I was kind of right and wrong...

Part 2
So about 2 1/2 hours after the 4 me0 pcp was ingested I parachuted 27 mgs of 2cb. I waited around for 45 then got a second surge of energy from the 2cb, I decided to head back outside again. There was a very interesting gloomy quality to this, the best I can describe is it felt like a low dose of salvia without any push. The surface seemed to be sloping and I slightly felt detached and at an angle from the surrounding. I called this Rhombus psychedelia trpping (?) because that's what came to mind. Most psychedelics seem very uniformed but there was a slight awkwardness to this from the remaining effects of the dissassociative. Outside it felt like a gloomy winter day but it was still sunny out i'm pretty sure, not a very desirable state I think for most people but I can't say it was unpleasant either.

I headed back in shortly after and the visuals from the 2cb started picking up. There was hardly any liquid morphing or wavy distortions in my visuals field instead I was seeing more realistic hallucinations to me. I saw eyes on one of my shirts that had this unwelcoming goofy stare on them, I saw on my wall this like Greek looking stone statue. I felt a pretty strong connection to these objects as they all felt pretty stoic and important. I decided to put on some music and close my eyes.

With eyes closed I was seeing rectangular prisms hollow in the center that kept replicating at a steady but not overwhelming pace, followed by many other scenes that I have forgot or are to difficult to put into words. The next visuals I saw were very interesting. I started imaging having a conversation with a friend of mine in my head and the words I would say would be releasing circular green dots of energy radiating towards her and when she talked backed she would radiate those energies back, as I raised my voice in this scene the colors would change from green to a lighter green. I also noticed my emotions in this scene were also effected with colored patterns. This was certainly nothing I could wrap my head around sober because there was to many intersecting circles and colors interacting with each other, but it was really interesting to see these frequencies. I also wish I had someone to talk to at this point to see if this effect would have carried over into actual conversation.

I got torn on the latter half of the trip between religious and spiritual ideation and darker depths of madness. I chose to neglect the spiritual and bask in my madness. I put on some Limewax which is some very abrasive and unaccessible drum n bass which sounded amazing in this state. I had a point where I just wanted to scream out but chose to throw something across the room as hard as I could landing one quick bam against the wall, Alot of primal urges felt like they bask and well up inside of me in this. It wasn't all dark though, I had some rather pleasant thoughts too, I felt gratitude towards some of the people who made this evening possible and also had this weird kind of funny sense of being like this British kid in the mid 90's coming home after a jungle (music) show and kind of basking in the after glow of a performance. The 2cb lasted a good 6 hours which is longer than it normally does for me. I woke up this morning with a slight dissassociative hangover but an overall decent mood. This was a very strange and intersting combination and I didn't really do anything particularly interesting that evening and this experience probably will not be one of the most memorable I've had but I definitely found it worthwhile and I write this to hopefully keep it in memory for later reflection.

Listen at your own risk:
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you trip weird

 

nice, detailed report. you're right, it doesn't sound like my cup of tea. 2cb by itself though...how do you like that?

 

I like 2cb by itself, at the 20-25 mgs range it would be nice to take with like your gf or a friend and enjoy a nice day outside, hiking, pool, cemetary, whatever you like to do. music sounds pretty great on it. It's Not the deepest or most visual of substances at that dose but definitely good if you don't have 8-12 hours to spend on like 2ce or LSD. There are almost no negative effects either for me. No nausea, no tension, no headaches after, no hangovers, the only neutral feeling for me about it is a slightly synthetic feel but that's not really a problem if you enjoy other phens.

 

Awesome report. The dark themes sounded like fertile ground for growth work. i am LOVING this chaotic music, but i am only on cannabis right now - not sure if i could handle it tripping. The part about letting your primal self go a bit was fascinating. The part of me that has heard negative propaganda about dissociatives (She really does need to STFU!) makes me wonder if it was the 4meo-PCP rather than the phen.

i have felt like hurting/smashing only on 2ce

i have been primal, growling, animalistic and glossalolia on both 'shrooms and pharma . . .

Thank you for sharing this fascinating experience.

Peace & Love,
Spicey Cat
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the rhombus effect sounds pretty interesting. do you like dissociatives in general or just 4meo?

 

have you taken the dosage any higher? i tried 20 mg and 30 mg. 20 mg was pretty mellow but nice, and so was 30 (which was the day after an acid trip). i look forward to trying this one again...doesn't look like that's gonna happen though

 

Ketamine was my favorite drug for about a a half year but I got dependent on it and can't go down that road anymore. I've had so many more valuable and interesting experiences since off ketamine anyways its not worth it to me anymore.

 

I like the flow of the 2cb trip, nothing is remarkable but everything is captivating at the same time.

 

Was it difficult to stop completely... don't you feel like having any somtimes ?

 

Well it definitely made it easier to stop when I got screwed over on a deal by a ketamine junkie towards the end of my use and then the last time I did k I bought a half gram and was planning to save 250 mgs for new years but the stuff I got was kind of weak, it came from a reliable source tho but I ended up doing the whole 500 mgs that night.

After new years I tried salvia on MDMA and that completely changed my view on the possibilities of dissassociatives and psychedelics (yes I've kitty flipped before) I view ketamine as kicking an opiate habit but since I have little experience with opiates some opiate users may scoff at that but its certainly harder for me than cocaine. Yes I wish I had it at times, my hands like shake and I get all tense and pressed when I think about it sometimes but Im over it.

 

Yeah I'm interested in that as well, is it like a caffeine addiction (if any of you have experienced this) where you consume more and more just because it feels good and its easily available and does virtually no damage to the body (when consumed at normal doses, not having to take heroic doses that would cause others to puke for a day or so) or is the addiction different?

 

That sounds similar to my addiction to my highschool/college addiction to caffeine, got to the point that I would consume between 2 and 4 g's daily. Bought powdered caffeine because monsters got too expensive.

 

Its a very different addiction. I'm sure there is some 12 steps people who would say all drug addiction is the same but in reality you are dealing with two very different chemicals here. Caffeiene is used for instant reward and to function, ketamine got to the point of being used for instant reward but it was mainly to detach from my surrounding, A high dose of ketamine will leave you immobile and completely removed from reality. I did take it at work a few times in lower doses but still the idea is to be somewhat detached from the enviornment. Mainly I thought about it at work all day until I got home and then checked out for a few hours.

 

alcohol would be a closer comparison

 

Okay, so a K addiction is like where you feel you need the drug to escape reality? Mmm now would this be the case for somebody who really is quite pleased with his/her life (such as myself)? And would you say it would be bad for me to enable a few of my good friends to try K who are definitely not pleased with their life (not depressed or suicidal or anything, just not pleased, always have a sadish look on their face). As I believe I said in another post, I will be getting some K over the winter and somewhat looking forward to trying it out.

 

There is some research being done that claims small doses of ketamine is good for depression. To me its really similar to saying a few glasses of wine a day is good for you, There may be some truth to it but its so easy to abuse that alot of those findings are really just used as justification to keep using. I found ketamine made me extremely more depressed. In that MDMA thread you talked about not liking drugs of abuse??? Besides maybe the novelty of the first few k holes ketamine is a drug of abuse to me.

 

I see, then I probably would only go into a K hole a few times, but I could really see this substance being a serious problem for several of my friends, more specifically the guy who is bringing it back from his trip to Mexico.

It's not that I don't like drugs of abuse, I just tend to avoid them. For me, pot is a drug of abuse, I never really get anything that really moves me from any of the experiences other than the "Man, remember that time where we were really stoned and we ate that WHOLE Big Italian Pizza from pizza hut, then went and played around in the city drains!" type experiences. Yet I continue to vape my weed almost every day. Plus since my highschool addiction to caffeine I deemed myself to have a addictive personality and would have since avoided substances which hold a likelihood of physical or psychological addiction.

Anyways, from your info I probably will go about using ketamine Shulgin style, dosing 1/2 a Khole dose, then 3/4th Khole dose, then Khole, then maybe 1-2 more K holes then move on from the substance. When you used to do it, after tripping did you ever really feel any long-lasting gain from the experience, or just numbed up and worry free for a while.

 

No I don't really feel any long lasting gain from ketamine, I will readily admit the first few k holes were interesting tho.

 

Okay, so it just quickly losses it's potential for mind-expanding/gain and quickly becomes a getaway/escape drug. Thanks. Most of the things I've read about it are praising how great it feels and such. But lately, I've been reading more about negative outcomes from K. Thanks again.