Jerry Brown debates Meg Whitman on Prop 19

boooo! meg whitman is full of horse shit. they back her because she pays them to back her.. ALL of the law enforcement officers are NOT opposed to prop 19.. in fact a lot of them support it's legalization. where is she getting this crap?

she's lying to us now.. what happens if she does get into the governors seat?

 

the poll i saw was giving the impression that most california voters werent supporting prop19. Frankly, Im opposed to legalize legislation most times - preferring decriminalization. Im surprised how many people are willing to put aside their fear/hatred for government when it comes to letting them toke for taxes.

Weed should be legal, but I dont want to let Uncle Sam take a cut from every bag so he can keep using the money badly!


As for politicians, never believe a word they say either before, during or after an election! Public speakers lie, and will say anything to anyone if they feel like it might help them.

 

i couldnt fucking agree with you more samson. I've thought that forever and cringe everytime people say "YEAAA TAX WEED MAN!" 0_0

 

What bullshit. Like a single LEAP member isn't from California.

Decriminalization is WORSE than prohibition.

It allows people to freely obtain and possess the drugs for personal use; but doesn't address the issue of the black market at all.

The difference between prohibition and decriminalization is that under decriminalization it's legal to give gangsters blood money.

 

IMHO ....
historically, buying pot has funded revolutions and subversive counterculture - today most drugs bought on the black market are pharms and that money goes to fund another secret Pfizer drug trial - Im sorry but I dont mind keeping my weed the way it is and not giving Uncle Sam a legal cut.

Giving to mobsters and politicians is just about the same thing these days, so I have a hard time differentiating between them.

Just my opinion, you are free to form your own opinions based on your own experience as most folks do.

 

That is just beyond stupid to be against it..prop 19 would go a huge way towards helping other states at least get medical mj..

 

http://stash.norml.org/how-to-debate-anti-prop-19-stoners-against-legalization

 

ty for calling me stupid, i appreciate that - what a great way to lead into a productive conversation about a topic. Just ignore the part of IMHO and all the things I actually said and lay out a blanket statement about me. Nice.

As for legalizing, I dont think there is much Cali is gonna do to change anyones mind. Most folks have already made their minds up, ya know!

 

Well I live in California, and I will vote in favor of it. The money is already being spent on weed, why the hell not keep it in the states?
Secondly, when my 10 year old brought home a note two weeks ago from school explaining how in the last few years the state has reduced the educational requirements and the number of days of school because the money wasn't there to pay the teachers, I'm in favor of taxation. I am lucky enough live in a school district that was able to not have any reduction in the number of days because of the district funds available. Then this year they cut another 5 days, for a total of 10 days. A majority of the teachers in our district opted to work those 5 days without pay rather than impact the kids education. But they still had to reduce the number of school days by 5.
So the schools are offering less education, and some teachers are working without pay. If legalizing weed and taxing it will help to fund education and pay the teachers who are already sorely underpaid, then I'm in favor of it.

Samson, your opinion sounds as if it is rooted more in a jaded "revolution against the man" attitude than facts. Sure our government is far from perfect and has made some pretty big blunders, one of the biggest being the "War on Drugs", but it also does use tax dollars for good purposes as well. You don't think the highways repair themselves do you? How do you think textbooks get purchased for the public schools? What about free medical clinics that are partially funded by tax dollars?

I respect your right to your opinion, but in my opinion, it's not an entirely realistic assessment of the situation

 

what i find unrealistic is the expectation of the minority of pot smokers who think that the majority will go along with it - my point was that the poll I saw said most californians were AGAINST it.

I do think about public schools, the roads, clinics and other projects -but are you trying to tell me that those projects arent federally funded? Good luck with that argument. Im a homeowner, and property tax is a large part of where that actual money comes from, so yes, Im very aware of how the financial pie is sliced and what size the pieces are. Its the folks who are oblivious to the pie or dont want to acknowledge what size the pieces are or where they really come from that try to say the taxes from pot are going to fund that many projects.

So yes, I may have an outdated opinion, but its based in fact and experience not just Regan era rhetoric.

 

Here is a decent point by point look at Prop19
http://stash.norml.org/californias-prop-19-a-word-for-word-analysis

One thing concerning the taxation of the sale and operation of licensed establishments selling it is the fact that a lot of the taxes are actually paid to the city and not the state, thereby helping to insure that those tax dollars will go to local projects and not all of it will fall into the hands of the evil and nefarious "Big Brother".

latest polls show it winning,
http://elections.firedoglake.com/2010/10/04/prop-19-gains-slightly-in-latest-poll-winning-48-41/

http://blog.norml.org/2010/08/17/prop-19-continues-to-lead-in-latest-poll/

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2010/sep/30/prop_19_hits_52_poll_california

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/marijuana/pot-legalization-prop-19-polls/

http://laist.com/2010/09/03/poll_republicans_and_marijuana_will.php

poll results are only as good as how current they are.

 

Another question is ARE pot smokers the minority?

It really depends what you consider a pot smoker.

If you mean someone who smokes regularly - then they definitely are.

If you mean someone who will smoke if offered or will smoke every now and then, the answer becomes a lot less clear.

And if you mean people who have smoked pot - the majority is pot smokers by far.

 

true, defining who is a pot smoker can be a nebulous thing.

In my experience, everyone wants to think they are in the majority - pot smokers think everyone smokes pot, gun advocates think everyone is packing pistols...

It will be interesting to see how it turns out, I find that to be the biggest joy of democracy and the reason I really do dig America!

 

How come all them silly rap bands are not making support prop 19 concerts..

They sure are good at making a shit load of dumb ass mother fucking stupid dope smoking stereotypical songs its isnt even fucking funny.. Where do most people get the idea that marijuana is harmful? From fucking dumbass videos like this>


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXRR5y5ZHog"]YouTube - asian rap ponycityofphilly - love to get high (asian rap )


you want to know what ruined Cannabis.. ^ this fucking shit right here!!

 

i would rather have taxed weed than be arrested for something i should be allowed to use in the first place.

 

thats why im in favor of decriminalization - nobody should be arrested for it!

 

yeah but i think if prop 19 doesnt pass there wont be anything even close to having it legal anytime soon

 

haha "EVERY single law enforcer"
wtf is she taking about, i know plenty of cops who are in favor of it