God and Communism

According to Communism,

Should the principle of perfection guide and unite humanity,
(For example: seeking a perfect society, utopia,...),
Even if that perfection is not attainable?
But Catholicism states that,
God is the principle,
Of perfection.

Do Communists believe in God?

 

No problem

I'm Catholic, and I believe in God too.

God is imperfect?
God is change?

God is annihilation?

God is EVERYTHING and,
God hates himself?

Principles sometimes appear as though they are contradictory.

For example, there are many species of the one mulberry tree,
Each tree can be considered a mulberry tree if it follows the principle of mulberry trees,
(Any of a group of ornamental trees and shrubs that have small, round, sweet fruits.)
Since a black mulberry tree is not a white mulberry tree,
(Different colors, found in different geographical locations),
Neither of these trees can be considered the principle of mulberry trees.
Similarly, marriage or ordination can be annulled in the Catholic Church for different reasons,
Guided by the principle of unity (family unity vs. Church unity).
In Catholicism, God is also called the principle of unity.

What do you mean by "God is EVERYTHING?"

God is everything, except a dictator?
How is God a guide?
What does he guide us to?
How do you define heaven, or what is your spiritual goal?

How do you distinguish an atheist communist,
From a believer communist?

Religion doesn't describe God?
God has nothing to do with justice?
Justice should have nothing to do with economics?

 

There is nothing which is not God.

 

some communists believe in god, others don't

efforts to enforce state atheism have proven to be failures

the hope with communism, is that some day people will be intelligent to live peacably without the state and without the church

 

Please explain how an atheist can hate a concept in which he does not believe. Being an atheist, I've heard this all of my life, that I hate god. It is nothing short of an ignorant statement. I don't hate the Tooth Fairy or Santa either, and I just love those cute little Leprechauns.

As for Communism and god, I think the aversion to god might be to protect the citizen and state from religious charlatans who take over communities and governments. You need to look no farther than the U.S. where Christianity hijacked the government early on and 234 years later we still haven't purged it from our Capital buildings. The arrogance of theology is antithetical to a free society and inhibits it's advancement.

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Why should we exclude the state and church?

Do you believe in perfection (in principle) as a concept?
If so, do you hate it?

How do we identify religious charlatans?

Infinite production of democracy is the most perfect principle?

 

because if people lived cooperatively, peaceably, ethically, what need would society have of either?

fortunately for the politicians and priests, we are still savages

 

I like the state, some people need limits; but, the church leads people down a dead end path, makes promises it can't deliver and gives false hope.

I'm an atheist, I don't believe in anything I cannot measure. Perfection is something told by those trying to separate you from your money.

That's pretty easy; they stand at pulpits, carry bibles (or other religious books), preach fairy tales and take your money on god's behalf and spend on themselves.

Have you ever read your Bible? It's the most violent and gruesome edict ever given, yet the religious charlatan holds it up and calls it "Love."

Democracy is a very messy process, nothing perfect about it.

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Are there principles for cooperation, peace, and ethics?

So you believe in principles (ideals, kinds of perfection),
Even if they are not always attainable?

Violence occurs, but violence is not the principle of my Bible.

So a catholic who preaches true love in action,
And receives no money for those actions,
They are not religious charlatans?

What are the principles of democracy?

 

there are, there have been for thousands of years, and probably for longer than we can know

there is not always agreement on them, and again, probably, there never has been

we can only try . . .

 

Here are just a few:

If this isn't violent enough, how about the chapter that tells of god killing everyone on earth except one family.

Catholic priests are amply compensated.

Everybody rules


When you want to know about the bible ask an atheist, Christians aren't very familiar with it.

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Leviticus is old testament though, the old testament is generally pretty brutal.

 

Let me shatter your reasoning just a bit:

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So we would need to cooperate,
In order to identify the principles of cooperation?

But everyone agrees that,
The principles of cooperation are principles?

How did you contradict my statement about the Bible?
Are you clear about the word "principle?"

So catholics who are not priests,
Who preach true love in action,
And receives no money for those actions,
They are not religious charlatans?

So everybody would need to cooperate to make democracy less "messy?"
Are principles necessary for cooperation?

 

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/principle?show=0&t=1286394310

More accurately stated, "we would need to cooperate in order to agree on "principles of cooperation," as none have been defined, or agreed upon here, yet.

Are you clear about the term: "principles of cooperation?"

I would agree, but this is a concept that each group defines differently depending on it's circumstances and dynamics.

By disagreeing with you. The only "principle" that the bible espouses is "obey god or suffer for an eternity." The New Testiment does not change that.

I can't make a determination on each individual's intentions, money is not the only selfish reward for promoting one's religion.

I can agree with this, but it ain't gonna happen.

certainly not.


Your style of weaving together philosophy, logic and religion reminds me of Christian Apologetics.

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I think so.

It is said to be ideal (perfect),
When a principle (law, rule) is an ideal.

If an ideal lacks practicality,
The ideal is worthless to hope for or seek?

It seems that we need to,
Bear and nurture love in our minds,
Before we increase it in the world around us (The Spiritual Canticle, Stanza 18).

So, selflessness is a rule by which you judge good intentions?

 

Perfection is only a concept that exists within the mind of the observer.

Love does not lead all in the same direction. Christianity has been here for over 2,000 years, and it has brought, and still brings grief and destruction everywhere it goes.

I would say not to judge good behavior as anything other than what it is, but to keep in mind that most good deeds are motivated by self ishness. That is not always a bad thing, though, just a fact of human nature.

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i think i agree with you even though i am, yet again, unsure of what you are saying

 

So,

It is human nature to continuously work toward creating a government that is run by the people who live under it. Communism is the most natural method to reach this goal, but it may not be perfect. We shouldn't be frustrated (due to problems related to capitalism) by common projects which we are ordered to do, because love in our hearts bring us peace. Love in our hearts can not deter us by the sufferings we experience in the workplace, and so we as workers can still make profits for companies while patiently working toward a new economic system.

The problems with capitalism originated outside capitalism, not from it...?

Love is an ideal principle for cooperation,
Even if love lacks practicality?

So, the ideal (perfect) is worthless to hope for or seek?

Practicality is an ideal principle for cooperation,
Even if an ideal lacks practicality?

How would you describe the common definition of love?

 

I am an atheist communist... One of the main pillars that Karl Marx established is the abolition of religion. Religion has been used as a means of deception since it's beginning. While for communism to work, there has to be the abolition of religion. But with that being said, that does not mean that communism and spiritual beliefs can't coincide.