Why do we reward stupidity?

I'm stating opinions. That's it. Some can listen, some can ignore, some can share their own opinions. Sometimes I just get so tired of certain things, so I air out for awhile. That's all I'm doing. I'm tired of hearing about how smokers are terrible, overweight people are this or that, drug users are useless. I'm tired of blatant hypocrisy. And don't get me wrong, I'm just as guilty of it.

I could go outside and talk into the wind but I like the people here.

 

Oh, my bad, I assumed you had a point.

 

Some people choose to eat excessively. To the point where they develop diseases because of it. Rewarded may not have been the right word. All I'm saying is that people shouldn't be hypocritical about it. Smokers use health care money, obese people do, children do, drug addicts do, alcoholics do. We all do.

If you deliberately ate yourself obese on Mcdonalds food, then turned around and sued them for you being obese, then yes, your stupidity has been rewarded with money, as was my example. I didn't mean for it to sound as though all obese people are stupid.

 

Because it is mostly all we know.

 

Take from it whatever you want.

You want a point? Here you go.

Fetch.

 

Oh, I wasn't taking offense to what you said. I was referring to the comment that obesity is a bigger drain than cigarettes. The living example I can provide is quite the contrary.

And, I completely agree with you. Living is a drain on the system whether you're allegedly healthy or not. My quadriplegic brother has drained the system more than anyone I know and he did NOTHING to get in that situation. And my bipolar friend not only drains the system, she sucks the life out of everyone around her.

Shitballs, I just wanna be left alone to eat my big mac.

 

Classy.

If it has to go then why are you finger pointing at the finger pointers?
Guess hypocrisy is complicated stuff, huh?

 

How Much Does Baby Delivery Cost?

The total cost of baby delivery typically consists of: the services of the obstetrician/gynecologist and pediatrician; services of the anesthesiologist and epidural, if used; the cost of your stay in the hospital room and board; a nursery fee; laboratory fees; and any medications or medical supplies. If you are insured, your insurance provider probably will receive the itemized bill, but you might receive separate non-itemized statements from the hospital and the different doctors.

Typical costs:
The biggest factors affecting the cost of a birth are: whether it is vaginal or Cesarean; whether there are complications; and the length of the hospital stay. Geographical location also plays a part; baby delivery is most expensive in the Northeast and on the West coast and least expensive in the south. For patients not covered by health insurance, the typical cost of a vaginal delivery without complications ranges from about $9,000 to $17,000 or more, depending on geographic location and whether there is a discount for uninsured patients. The typical cost for a C-section without complications or a vaginal delivery with complications ranges from about $14,000 to $25,000 or more.
For patients with insurance, out-of-pocket costs usually range from under $500 to $3,000 or more, depending on the plan. Out-of-pocket expenses typically include co-pays -- usually $15 to $30 for a doctor visit and about $200 to $500 for inpatient services for delivery. Some insurance plans only cover a percentage -- usually about 80 to 90 percent after a deductible is met, so you can easily end up reaching your yearly out-of-pocket maximum. In most plans, that ranges from about $1,500 to $3,000. According to a study by the March of Dimes Foundation, the average out-of-pocket cost for a vaginal delivery for privately insured patients was $463 and for a C-section, $523. In this forum at TheNestBaby.com, new mothers compare notes on the cost of delivery, insurance and out-of-pocket costs.
Usually, the baby receives a separate bill, which typically ranges from $1,500 to $4,000 for a healthy baby delivered at term. For a premature baby with complications who has to spend weeks in a neonatal intensive care unit, this bill can reach tens of thousands of dollars.
Baby delivery usually is covered by health insurance. Even if you join a group health insurance plan after you already are pregnant, delivery still will be covered; according to the U.S. Department of Labor, the federal government prohibits group health insurance plans from treating pregnancy as a pre-existing condition, or, if they offer maternity coverage, from refusing to cover prenatal care or childbirth. However, individual health insurance plans can legally treat pregnancy as a pre-existing condition, so baby delivery probably will not be covered if you join one while pregnant. If you are insured, it is very important to check with the insurance company about their requirements; some companies require you to "pre-authorize" coverage for your baby, and some require that you call them when you arrive at the hospital to deliver -- if you forget, they might refuse to cover the delivery or your newborn's care.

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In Canada it doesn't cost shit.


Next time someone wants to point a finger, tell them to think of all the people who have children. WAY more than those who smoke or are overweight.

 

Both flattery and criticism are vain assessments.

 

Thank you for this.....

I'm still too chicken to be flamed by enraged breeders.

 

Who did you expect? Mr. Peanut?

I already stated that I am guilty of it myself. A few posts back. It's hard to point something out without putting yourself on the chopping block. I'm just as much of a guilty asshole as the next person.

If you're here to share an opinion on the matter I'd be more than happy to hear it. If you're here for the sole purpose of irritating me you'll be having a one way discussion.

 

Be my partner in crime! It's an issue I've wanted to discuss openly for so long now. But I couldn't bear the weight on my own! Their words would cut me down.

 

I was just joking you know, what the hell you going on aboot?

 

This thread has been a one way discussion since the first post.

 

A desire for what's right is never in vain.

 

I beg to differ. There has been some good reponses.

 

Bah!! Eeeevil bastards! I will not go down procreating!! Neeeeeeevaaaaaaaa!!

I'm yours baby!

 

Fair enough... and for the record, I believe people ultimately ought to be free to self destruct as they see fit... the problem is that in general people do not mature to the point where they can embrace all that comes from the decisions THEY make... life begins falling apart around them because of addiction and they seem to feel entitled for remedial intervention on the part of some other entity whose job it is to make it all better. Collectively we are cultivated to look for someone to blame... to sue... as though operatives for McDonald's hold peoples mouths open and shove the greasy fare down their throat or big tobacco forces people to light up at gun point.

Now I do concede that there are cases of overweight/obesity that are not the result of bad eating habits and/or lack of exercise but I'd wager that most are... which is all well and good but too many abdicate responsibility for their decisions and adopt victim status in an apparent move toward entitling themselves to special accommodations at the expense of everyone else... and mitigating the damage their decisions are doing to themselves is somehow someone else's job.

This bears itself out in the idle banter stemming from seeming innocent questions I've fielded about what the best way to getting in shape is. I've found that in most cases, bothering to detail anything that might include effort and lifestyle change is a waste of breath as the day after receiving my best advice the would-be fit person is still eating junk, drinking soda, and even chain smoking. I'll be greeted with a sort of guilty conscience that seems reflective of the assumption that it is somehow my job to achieve fitness for someone else. It reveals the intent of the question in the first place... not so much the best way THEY can achieve fitness and health but how can I make them fit without any changes on their part whatsoever.

I no longer reward efforts to pump me for information with any specific advice at all. It's generally the program a person can stick with... and further queries as to what programs to consider are deflected with advice to do their own research. If they do not have the will to follow through on that there isn't anything I can tell them that has any chance of working.

The stupidity in general is willful and in no way should warrant rewards... but it seems to be endlessly encouraged by a legal and governing system that wants us to look at the establishment for solutions to our helpless victimization at the hands of one evil entity or another... without any premium placed on the original thought process or decision the person makes him/herself and no mind to the FACT that they and they alone own the results of their decisions.

Life is not fair... never has been. it's not supposed to be because it's in large part how we as individuals cope with the inequities that define who we really are.... but culture has us thinking so differently. The thing is that anyone selling the concept that everything has to be fair for everyone is selling a bill of goods likely calculated to make everyone an equal victim... but at least it'll be fair -eh?

Now that's stupidity we all can sink our teeth in.

 

But Im not........ I had a kid.

And if you have insurance you get every test, tube, and ass wiper charged to you.

If you have none, lucky if your kid lives....

No joke

2,500 for home birth no insurance (wow thats alot for you to let me pee in a cup, weigh me once a month and catch my kid....oh yeah and i only see you for 5 min to talk... hummmmmmmmm)

BUT Instead.... got charged 10 grand because i had him in the hospital

and thats just my part (no complications with anything)

WTF REALLY????????

no more drainin kid here, he can take my mom's bank account hostage now

 

In Canada it does cost, the difference is that it is paid for under the provincial health plans which are funded by our tax dollars. Everyone who pays taxes funds health care.

We do not get presented with a bill at the hospital but pay we do.