beer and beverage against legalizing cannabis

hufington post- beer and alcohol http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/21/this-buds-not-for-you-bee_n_732901.html

"Stone is not a part of this campaign in any way. This issue has caught us off guard," said a statement from the San Diego-based microbrewery, calling itself "merely a non-voting Allied Member of the CA Beer & Beverage Distributors (CBBD).As such, Stone Brewing does not/cannot participate in the political action decisions of the CBBD."


A statement from Sierra Nevada said that the company has "requested the CBBD to remove our name from their list of members, and also to disassociate the brewery from this and any future political actions."


The last thing a California microbrew needs is to be associated with the effort against legalizing marijuana. "We regret any implied association with this action by the CBBD, and maintain our independence and neutrality regarding matters of politics," the Sierra statement said. "The CBBD does not represent Sierra Nevada's political interests in any way, and does not represent the brewery's stance on the issue."


what do you guys think? will you be voting for prop 19 if you live in california? how do you feel about big alcohol getting in the way of cannabis legalization?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJZHM9XvAvk&feature=sub"]YouTube - Beer Industry Vs Marijuana Legalization

 

anyone standing in the way gets a thumbs down

 

I think (hard) alcohol is far worse than many illegal drugs.

I would also be a supporter of marijuana legalization if I were a brewery; and analogue marijuana prohibition to alcohol prohibition. I mean, look at what the government's been doing to the tobacco industry.

In the long run, either all non-medical drugs will become illegal -- or many drugs will be rescheduled. Alcohol companies should be supportive for their own interests.

 

well at least we know Sierra Nevada and Stone aren't anti-pot in the least.

 

Does anyone have a list of what beverage companies are actively anti-legalization? Good a reason for a boycott as any, right?

 

http://www.reddit.com/domain/cbbd.com/

Damnitsomuch, Bud is on the list.

I'm making a phone call today.

 

Yay none of my favorites made the list =D (My favorites is mostly Yuengling though)

 

Annual Causes of Death in the United States
Tobacco 435,000
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000
Alcohol 85,000
Microbial Agents 75,000
Toxic Agents 55,000
Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000
Suicide 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000
Homicide 20,308
Sexual Behaviors 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,000
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600
Marijuana 0

http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30

I know all alcohol, "hard" or "soft" is worse than all other drugs. The only other drug used recreational that is about as damaging to the body is methamphetamine.

Just because it is beer or wine does lot lessen the damage it does. There are far, far more beer drinking alcoholics in america than hard alcohol drinking ones.

 

Alcohol addiction, is of course, always bad. My father drank himself to death; and whether it's due to that, or because marijuana was so much easier to get in highschool, I'm really not a big fan of it.

But the reason I sorta specified hard is that one or two glasses of wine or beers a day can actually be rather healthy for men, and it has both health benefits and drawbacks for women (same benefits but increases breast cancer risk)
It can help blood pressure, stress management, digestion, memory, erectile problems, and reduce the risks of such things as hearing loss, liver disease, diabetes, osteoarthritis.

There's lost more. But that's of course, nothing compared to the benefits of the sweet leaf

 

I agree and as you say there is a lot to suggest light alcohol use has some benefits. My point was that often the guy drinking beer won't consider they have a problem because, "it's not like it's hard alcohol" (I've actually been told that by alcoholics I have known).

 

I don't think there is enough data around to suggest MJ is or is not as toxic to peoples driving as alcohol.

 

I'm on the fence on this one also. But just coming from personial experiance, I can clearly notice people drive worse/more wrecklessly after drinking in just about every instance.

but with pot, I've only noticed 1 out of the many stoners I've been passenger to seemed to loose focus. That is nothing to laugh at, but it it not as bad as booze as far as I can tell.

Reguardless, I do not think anyone should drive while under the influance of a substance. it's hypocritical, I think, that there are no laws forbiding people to drive while adjusting to new perscription meds... as that often has a devistating effect on moter skills.

it all depends on what the man wants to demonize. If it was illegal to drive while starting Abilify, people might question the 'goodness' of psych meds. And we can't have that, can we?

 

I think with MJ is is subtle.
The end result (of taking any drug) can be personal harm or harm to others.
The cause and effect is the same. A loss of control.

There might be a case to legislate for the loss of control due to any drugs. Some being criminal and others not. Somethings are slightly beyond control others are not.

 

you're going to call bud and complain?
inbev has been losing money for a couple of years, what makes you think they wouldn't want to protect their product in any way possible? they're going to be anti-legalization no matter how many people call the hotline.

how about buy some stone or sierra nevada. that would work better for everybody.

 

I called them this morning and the recording said "we open at 11 am central to whatever pm." Who opens at 11 am anywhere on a weekday!?

I'm going to look into sierra nevada, or stone now, thanx.

 

Yeah, but fuck their product. I have my aims on a much better one. Though, it feels disrespectful to call sweet mary a 'product'

 

try not to hurt yourself. they make 'man beers'

 

THC's effects on road-tracking after doses up to 300 g/kg never exceeded alcohol's at bacs of 0.08 g%; and, were in no way unusual compared to many medicinal drugs' (Robbe, 1994; Robbe and O'Hanlon, 1995; O'Hanlon et al., 1995). Yet, THC's effects differ qualitatively from many other drugs, especially alcohol. Evidence from the present and previous studies strongly suggests that alcohol encourages risky driving whereas THC encourages greater caution, at least in experiments. Another way THC seems to differ qualitatively from many other drugs is that the former's users seem better able to compensate for its adverse effects while driving under the influence.

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/misc/driving/driving.htm

“Intoxication with cannabis leads to a slight impairment of psychomotor … function. … [However,] the impairment in driving skills does not appear to be severe, even immediately after taking cannabis, when subjects are tested in a driving simulator. This may be because people intoxicated by cannabis appear to compensate for their impairment by taking fewer risks and driving more slowly, whereas alcohol tends to encourage people to take great risks and drive more aggressively.”

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5450

There’s a large amount of research out there on the effects of marijuana on driving, and the results are fairly consistent: Marijuana has a measurable yet relatively mild effect on psychomotor skills, yet it does not appear to play a significant role in vehicle crashes, particularly when compared to alcohol.

http://www.nuffy.net/articles/how-marijuana-effects-your-driving-performance.html

The researchers found there were no differences between the performance of marijuana smokers and those who were given a placebo in either the simulator's baseline driving segment or its collision-avoidance scenarios. In fact, the only difference between the two groups was that the subjects who got the real stuff were more likely to decrease their speed during certain parts of the simulation.

http://www.asylum.com/2010/06/02/un...juana-pot-herb-doesnt-impair-driving-ability/

Researchers found that "participants receiving active marijuana decreased their speed more so than those receiving a placebo cigarette" — that is, they drove more slowly. This confirms the results of a 2008 study, which found that "average speed was the most sensitive driving performance variable" when a person is high. The authors of the Hartford Hospital/University of Iowa study hypothesized that stoned drivers might be slowing down to compensate for some level of impairment.

http://theweek.com/article/index/203778/do-marijuana-and-driving-mix

That is a very small sampling of search results

Google: marijuana and driving :About 5,630,000 results

Odon, You can take your foot out of your mouth now.

 

My Google results indicate 4,190,000
I did not say there was no data.
I said there wasn't enough to draw any firm conclusions.
You will find a large proportion of the data within either one of our results is the same or does not answer the point I was making.
Why would I post what you posted and expect it to back up what I am saying?

Here is a few links I looked into:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/driving_while_under_the_influenc

"It appears not possible to conclude anything about a driver's impairment on the basis of his/her plasma concentrations of THC... determined in a single sample.

http://www.duiblog.com/2004/12/14/dui-marijuana-does-marijuana-impair-driving/

I think these two are pretty much the current thinking on the issue.